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dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:05 AM ET
Meszaros for a future 7th round pick.
- ob18

There was never much of a chance of Homer being able to fix this D, so why complicate things? Unload Meszaros and have Gustafson replace him on the third pair. Streit gives us the puck movement lost when Matt Carle left. Our D isn't perfect but it is an NHL defense. Sign Gagne once Meszaros' money is dumped. Gagne maybe not be the scorer he once was but his play away from the puck is welcomed. He can only help the team defense on the ice as a whole.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:07 AM ET
he can hang out with his boy vinny while he waits
- FlyerMike18

Maybe show him around the area a bit. Take him "down-a-shore" or sumtin.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:09 AM ET
my nightmare scenario was couturier being dealt for ryan miller
- FlyerMike18

or byfuglien
or any calgary flame

but yeah, no miller in philly
I like ryan and think he is a hell of goalie but don't think for a second he would work in philly
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:10 AM ET
There was never much of a chance of Homer being able to fix this D, so why complicate things? Unload Meszaros and have Gustafson replace him on the third pair. Streit gives us the puck movement lost when Matt Carle left. Our D isn't perfect but it is an NHL defense. Sign Gagne once Meszaros' money is dumped. Gagne maybe not be the scorer he once was but his play away from the puck is welcomed. He can only help the team defense on the ice as a whole.
- dingo8urbaby

you must be so happy, I know you were excited for razor, and also pulling for gagne to return

christmas in july, woo!
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:13 AM ET
or byfuglien
or any calgary flame

but yeah, no miller in philly
I like ryan and think he is a hell of goalie but don't think for a second he would work in philly

- Marc D


didn't ek write something about that? i didn't even take that seriously

and while i would be upset about couturier for byfulgien, it would be just a bit worse for miller
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Jul 6 @ 9:17 AM ET
I think Gagne is in the same boat Jagr was in last year. Jagr just couldn't wait it out. Hopefully Simon will have the patience and Homer will save the space.
- section32


Bad comparison. Jagr had multiple suitors. I don't think any other team has interest in Gagne and he doesn't want to play anywhere else. It should be a cheap contract for Gagne if Holmgren just does his job.
dingo8urbaby
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:17 AM ET
you must be so happy, I know you were excited for razor, and also pulling for gagne to return

christmas in july, woo!

- Marc D

I'm over the moon. Homer has managed to add to this team rather then subtract. I think this is a cup contender again. I also feel like he has done it the right way. I was on the Bobby Ryan bandwagon but Lecavalier was only a minor surprise. Lecavalier is a better player and a much better fit here in philly.
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 6 @ 9:17 AM ET
What do you guys think the special teams going to look like next year?

PP
Hartnell-G-Simmer
Timmon-Voracek

Schenn - Lecavalier - Gags
Streit - Read

PK
Couts - Read
G - Talbot
Gags - Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossman
Schenn - Timmo
huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:18 AM ET
How about coots, mez and morin for pk subban
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:18 AM ET
That won't be cheap.
- section32

Which is fine. Adding quality young d men shoulfnt be cheap.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:19 AM ET
How about coots, mez and morin for pk subban
- huks99

Wh6 would pk be your choice?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 6 @ 9:19 AM ET
Bad comparison. Jagr had multiple suitors. I don't think any other team has interest in Gagne and he doesn't want to play anywhere else. It should be a cheap contract for Gagne if Holmgren just does his job.
- phillydentist


Could the Flyers wait until after pre-season when they put pronger on LTIR to sign gagne?
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:19 AM ET
What do you guys think the special teams going to look like next year?

PP
Hartnell-G-Simmer
Timmon-Voracek

Schenn - Lecavalier - Gags
Streit - Read

PK
Couts - Read
G - Talbot
Gags - Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossman
Schenn - Timmo

- AGL_91


pp units are probably pretty close

gotta think adam hall will get significantly more pk minutes than zac rinaldo
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 6 @ 9:22 AM ET
What do you guys think the special teams going to look like next year?

PP
Hartnell-G-Simmer
Timmon-Voracek

Schenn - Lecavalier - Gags
Streit - Read

PK
Couts - Read
G - Talbot
Gags - Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossman
Schenn - Timmo

- AGL_91


I'd say thats fairly accurate. They may use Gus instead of gagne on the 2nd PP. I could also see them giving more PK time to Hall and maybe Laughton. I have a feeling Giroux will be put into many more scoring opportunities this season. I don't want to see him on the PK a lot or taking too many d zone draws.
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 6 @ 9:23 AM ET
pp units are probably pretty close

gotta think adam hall will get significantly more pk minutes than zac rinaldo

- FlyerMike18


Agreed. Forgot about him
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 6 @ 9:24 AM ET
didn't ek write something about that? i didn't even take that seriously

and while i would be upset about couturier for byfulgien, it would be just a bit worse for miller

- FlyerMike18

Giordano's pretty good, but only a slight upgrade over what we have
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:25 AM ET
I'm over the moon. Homer has managed to add to this team rather then subtract. I think this is a cup contender again. I also feel like he has done it the right way. I was on the Bobby Ryan bandwagon but Lecavalier was only a minor surprise. Lecavalier is a better player and a much better fit here in philly.
- dingo8urbaby

the thing I'm wondering about now is will Homer swing for the moon now...
what I mean is look for a young top pairing defenseman and pay the exorbitant price

he has been able to plug the holes by signing free agents and only using up cap space, but I doubt he will get his high end defenseman they still need with this strategy

but I have to say I am a huge fan so far, keeping the youth and identifying the free agents he wanted and getting them

sure the vinnie and streit deal are a year or two too long, but he payed that price to assure he got the players he wanted, and kept Couts/Schenns/Simmonds/Jake on the team

way to go Homer
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 6 @ 9:26 AM ET
Could the Flyers wait until after pre-season when they put pronger on LTIR to sign gagne?
- PhillySportsGuy


This is what I was wondering too. Seems to solve the problem. The still need to clear $ before the season starts though.
huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:27 AM ET
Wh6 would pk be your choice?
- nails

Why not?

I know he was a hard sign for MTL and is a younger top pairing dman, who has a huge upside.....they wanted morin. It might work for both teams. Is it too much for the flyers......not if pk is here for the next 10 years on the top pairing.
AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Jul 6 @ 9:27 AM ET
I'd say thats fairly accurate. They may use Gus instead of gagne on the 2nd PP. I could also see them giving more PK time to Hall and maybe Laughton. I have a feeling Giroux will be put into many more scoring opportunities this season. I don't want to see him on the PK a lot or taking too many d zone draws.
- PhillySportsGuy


I love to see them do what Boston does on the PK. quick short shifts with a five guy rotation. However, Flyers always seem to either be pinned in their own zone or going on on 2 on 1 shorthanded
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:27 AM ET
Bad comparison. Jagr had multiple suitors. I don't think any other team has interest in Gagne and he doesn't want to play anywhere else. It should be a cheap contract for Gagne if Holmgren just does his job.
- phillydentist

So you have an inside scoop that nobody has approached Simon's agent?
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 6 @ 9:28 AM ET
Gagne's deal has to be 2 mil or under or its over payment.

Voracek G Hartnell
Simmonds Vinny Schenn
Gagne Cooter Read
Talbot Hall Rinaldo/Rosehill

Laughton back in Jr's.
McGinn firts call up?

That second line could be nasty to play against.

- flyers2001


I might be the only one that is not crazy about that second line. Flip Read and Schenn.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:28 AM ET
I'd say thats fairly accurate. They may use Gus instead of gagne on the 2nd PP. I could also see them giving more PK time to Hall and maybe Laughton. I have a feeling Giroux will be put into many more scoring opportunities this season. I don't want to see him on the PK a lot or taking too many d zone draws.
- PhillySportsGuy

I really want to see Gagne (if he is here) with G on the PK in certain circumstances, especially if they are down a goal.

I think that pair will create some great short handed chances
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:28 AM ET
Why not?

I know he was a hard sign for MTL and is a younger top pairing dman, who has a huge upside.....they wanted morin. It might work for both teams. Is it too much for the flyers......not if pk is here for the next 10 years on the top pairing.

- huks99


I dont mind pk.
I was just curious
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 6 @ 9:29 AM ET
This is what I was wondering too. Seems to solve the problem. The still need to clear $ before the season starts though.
- FlyersFirst

I would think a player like Gagne would still be an attrative signing now that all the "top" guys are signed.
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