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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:43 PM ET
is jordan subban a possibility @ 41 or would the flyers have to move up?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:44 PM ET
is jordan subban a possibility @ 41 or would the flyers have to move up?
- isaiah520


He could be there...I'd be very interested at 41.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 7:45 PM ET
is jordan subban a possibility @ 41 or would the flyers have to move up?
- isaiah520

Move down maybe even. He is 5'9". I have a hard time seeing him going higher than 41.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:45 PM ET
I'm trying to figure out what game Vancouver is playing when trying to suggest that there are teams out there that would trade for Luongo's contract.

If Homer made that trade he would need to be fired on the spot.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 28 @ 7:45 PM ET
Coburn for a forward to replace Briere doesn't compute.
Who will replace Coburn's minutes?

Don't doubt they could be shopping him, but they'd need a defenseman back.
Unless they are counting on full seasons from Mez and Grossmann.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 7:45 PM ET
He could be there...I'd be very interested at 41.
- Jsaquella


I think Montreal will get him they have 2 picks in the 2nd round before the Flyers at #41
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 28 @ 7:46 PM ET
I'm trying to figure out what game Vancouver is playing when trying to suggest that there are teams out there that would trade for Luongo's contract.

If Homer made that trade he would need to be fired on the spot.

- MBFlyerfan



The same game they were playing when they said they had multiple teams interested at the deadline.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:48 PM ET
I'm trying to figure out what game Vancouver is playing when trying to suggest that there are teams out there that would trade for Luongo's contract.

If Homer made that trade he would need to be fired on the spot.

- MBFlyerfan

nobody wants that lousy contract. Gillis blew it last yr.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:52 PM ET
Coburn for a forward to replace Briere doesn't compute.
Who will replace Coburn's minutes?

Don't doubt they could be shopping him, but they'd need a defenseman back.
Unless they are counting on full seasons from Mez and Grossmann.

- Marc D

the team has lost a lot of good hands guys the last few yrs and briere is yet another one. must have some type of confidence that mez will be back.

i wouldn't move coby though, unless the offer was really stellar.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 7:53 PM ET
Maybe Craig Button might not be all that crazy when he had the Devils taking him.


Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen

Some chatter that Mooseheads goaltender Zachary Fucale could be a top-10 pick with rumours swirling that the Devils are very high on him
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 7:56 PM ET
Maybe Craig Button might not be all that crazy when he had the Devils taking him.


Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen

Some chatter that Mooseheads goaltender Zachary Fucale could be a top-10 pick with rumours swirling that the Devils are very high on him

- ob18

You would think they could afford to move down a few spots tho to do that.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:57 PM ET
Maybe Craig Button might not be all that crazy when he had the Devils taking him.


Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen

Some chatter that Mooseheads goaltender Zachary Fucale could be a top-10 pick with rumours swirling that the Devils are very high on him

- ob18


The TSN mock is largely complied talking with GM, scouts and other team personnel.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:58 PM ET
Maybe Craig Button might not be all that crazy when he had the Devils taking him.


Kelly Friesen ‏@KellyFriesen

Some chatter that Mooseheads goaltender Zachary Fucale could be a top-10 pick with rumours swirling that the Devils are very high on him

- ob18

hope they do
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 7:58 PM ET
The TSN mock is largely complied talking with GM, scouts and other team personnel.
- Jsaquella


I know, I will still hope that Morin is not the choice for the Flyers that goes in the opposite direction of the style D-man they could use.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 28 @ 7:58 PM ET
The same game they were playing when they said they had multiple teams interested at the deadline.
- Doc_Sarcasm


That is just it, NO ONE, and I mean NO one is going to trade for that contract. Regardless of what they say or think. If he thinks he is creating a trade market for Lu, he must be delusional or stupid.

It is like someone trying to get rid of poison for money by trying to convince a person there are others ready to buy the poison, so they had better buy it before its gone.....

smh


Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:03 PM ET
That is just it, NO ONE, and I mean NO one is going to trade for that contract. Regardless of what they say or think. If he thinks he is creating a trade market for Lu, he must be delusional or stupid.

It is like someone trying to get rid of poison for money by trying to convince a person there are others ready to buy the poison, so they had better buy it before its gone.....

smh

- MBFlyerfan

Well they have to sweeten the deal
Either eat a ton of his salary or add a significant player/pick

They will end up with a buyout most likely
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:06 PM ET
Rumors
by George Malik

TSN's Bob McKenzie, Pierre LeBrun and Darren Dreger got together with James Duthie to hold an "Insider Trading" segment from the draft floor in Newark, and, among their topics of discussion:

1. LeBrun suggests that Kris Letang's agent, Kent Hughes, and Penguins GM Ray Shero will chat after the Penguins turned down a nearly $8-million-a-year counter-offer, and Shero may be "laying the groundwork" for a trade;

2. Regarding Roberto Luongo, Bob McKenzie believes that the Vancouver Canucks want to have Luongo off their roster after this weekend, even though the Canucks insist that they have trade options (Philly? Long Island? Edmonton?) and won't have to buy him out, though they may waive him (and that's how Edmonton would work its way in);

3. Dreger says that Flyers defenseman Braydon Coburn will be reluctantly traded by the Flyers for the sake of a forward to replace Briere, and they're going to demand a good young forward, a prospect and possibly a draft pick (if the Flyers had any damn cap space, I'm sure the Wings would be interested in Coburn);

4. The Maple Leafs had dangled Dion Phaneuf, but at present, Dave Nonis hasn't received any trade-worthy offers;


5. McKenzie says that there are teams that want to move players for either financial, roster or "financial pressure" reasons to avoid buyouts, and Detroit's Carlo Colaiacovo, Minnesota's Tom Gilbert, Florida's Filip Kuba and Scottie Upshall, they're all being aggressively moved though there isn't much of a market for them. They may be bought out if they aren't moved by 5 PM on July 4th;

6. LeBrun says that 15 teams have contacted Kent Hughes about Vincent Lecavalier, and he can talk to teams at present. Lecavalier is deciding where the best "fit" is, and it will be a process, but Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Dallas and other "wild cards" are all interested;

Dreger says that term and salary are key, and the Maple Leafs might be the kind of team that could give him a 5-year deal at $4.5-5 million, which would affect Tyler Bozak's future as the Leafs don't want to invest $5 million in Bozak, and negotiations have broken down;

And McKenzie suggests that whether Lecavalier wishes to play in a "fishbowl" (i.e. Toronto or Montreal) or whether he'd prefer to be a first-line center or blend into a lineup as a second-line center going forward.

Immediately after the segment aired, LeBrun posited a set of "rumblings" on ESPN's website, and he focuses upon Lecavalier and his possible fit with the Red Wings--as well as some other Wings options at center giving that Valtteri Filppula's skiddadling:

During a media call Thursday, Lecavalier mentioned the Detroit Red Wings as a team he liked growing up (along with the Montreal Canadiens). Well, the feeling is apparently mutual. A source Friday said that the Wings have interest in Lecavalier, although certainly not at any cost. It’s going to have to make sense both in salary and term. And the Wings know they won’t be alone in a courtship of Lecavalier.

Pending UFA Stephen Weiss is another potential option for the second-line center job in Detroit, but there will be lots of competition for his services as well.

The Wings are not approaching their buying season with any kind of desperation. They feel they’re in good shape. They’ve got youth coming up, their AHL team just won the Calder Cup, and they’re not going to go out of their way to overspend in free agency for the sake of it. And if they can’t find a center in free agency or via trade, they can always put Henrik Zetterberg in the No. 2 slot, separating him from Pavel Datsyuk.

This is all pending the expectation that Valtteri Filppula is headed to market. The pending UFA forward is not close to a new deal with Detroit, and while the Wings and his agent were slated to speak again this weekend, odds of a new deal don’t seem great.

Which is why guys like Lecavalier or Weiss could be options in free agency.

Keep an eye on former Detroit assistant GM Jim Nill, by the way. The new Dallas Stars GM, I hear, also would like to add a veteran forward, and players like Lecavalier and Weiss are on his radar. He could be competing with his old pal Ken Holland for some of the same players.

He continues at length, suggesting that Jonas Hiller may be on the market, that the Hurricanes would give their 5th overall pick up for a top-four defenseman, he ponders Tuukka Rask and Thomas Vanek's futures, and he ends with this:

One thing to look for over the next week, according to one NHL player agent, if talks break down between pending UFAs and their respective teams, is the possibility of a sign-and-trade to take advantage of the CBA rule that allows teams to sign their free agents to eight-year deals, whereas players can get only seven years on the open market.

Both the player and team would have a potential gain: the old team could get more value in a trade if the player is signed, and the player gets an extra year in term with his new team.

- isaiah520



is this a joke ?

a forward to replace a guy who played out of position because we have too many centers and we have no spot for him?


brilliant


Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jun 28 @ 8:06 PM ET
You would think they could afford to move down a few spots tho to do that.
- hereticpride



Jersey has picked guys out of the percieved order before.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:15 PM ET
is this a joke ?

a forward to replace a guy who played out of position because we have too many centers and we have no spot for him?


brilliant

- Don'tForgetTocchet

think its a leap to assume it would be another center
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 8:18 PM ET
is this a joke ?

a forward to replace a guy who played out of position because we have too many centers and we have no spot for him?


brilliant

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Reading the Tea leaves I presume the young forward would be to replace Read who would be used to get a replacement for Coburn..
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:18 PM ET
think its a leap to assume it would be another center
- isaiah520


i thnk it's a giant leap into the idiot pond to say that the flyers need to replace briere
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:19 PM ET
think its a leap to assume it would be another center
- isaiah520


I think it's a leap to assume the flyers wouldn't trade somebody just for the sake of trading him
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Jun 28 @ 8:22 PM ET
Reading the Tea leaves I presume the young forward would be to replace Read who would be used to get a replacement for Coburn..
- jstross



As long as a first round pick still belongs to the flyers, I am okay with that. If they somehow managed to move up, that would be great.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 8:24 PM ET
Any more news on Blum?

The Preds are also letting goalie Jeremy Smith walk unqualified as well. I'd have some interest there.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:26 PM ET
i thnk it's a giant leap into the idiot pond to say that the flyers need to replace briere
- Don'tForgetTocchet

probly wouldnt work out capwise but i have to admit i liked seeing Vinny centering Simmonds and Schenn in that lineup someone posted yesterday.

i do get nervous with just giroux, schenn, couts down the middle, at least in the short term.

but yeah i dont want to trade coburn to "replace" briere
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