TheLeafsInsider
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Location: Choke Central, ON Joined: 03.30.2011
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IMO, Miller is worth a good prospect and a late mid to late first, early second round pick. - ImThatGuy
Yes this sounds right. I don't understand where Some of these fans are getting the idea he will fetch this massive return from. 2009 Ryan miller gets that return, not this aged version with decent not great numbers. A trade from NYI I could see:
Nino, mid prospect 2nd round pick and maybe a conditional pick on performance or resigning.
Not the ones with strome +, or Bogosian 1st rd pick + I was seeing either. He's just not worth that.
For clarification the conditional pick would be pretty high too, 1st or 2nd rd pick. |
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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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Yes this sounds right. I don't understand where Some of these fans are getting the idea he will fetch this massive return from. 2009 Ryan miller gets that return, not this aged version with decent not great numbers. A trade from NYI I could see:
Nino, mid prospect 2nd round pick and maybe a conditional pick on performance or resigning.
Not the ones with strome +, or Bogosian 1st rd pick + I was seeing either. He's just not worth that.
For clarification the conditional pick would be pretty high too, 1st or 2nd rd pick. - TheLeafsInsider
Ive wanted Nino here since I saw him play in the world Juniors when it was in Buffalo. So I would be all over this.
Miller for Nino+2nd in 2013+2nd 2014(if resigned) 3rd if not. |
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I think Miller gets a 1st round pick in the 20's and a small, skillful forward teams see as a 6-10 listed prospect in their system. Darcy thinks small, skilled forwards are steals. Other teams see the limits to what small forwards can do. |
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Deadmau55
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: CA Joined: 06.07.2011
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Yes this sounds right. I don't understand where Some of these fans are getting the idea he will fetch this massive return from. 2009 Ryan miller gets that return, not this aged version with decent not great numbers. A trade from NYI I could see:
Nino, mid prospect 2nd round pick and maybe a conditional pick on performance or resigning.
Not the ones with strome +, or Bogosian 1st rd pick + I was seeing either. He's just not worth that.
For clarification the conditional pick would be pretty high too, 1st or 2nd rd pick. - TheLeafsInsider
Yeah, that seems about right. Good job. |
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Somebody has to clear this up for me... If Miller is worth what everybody says he is, with a year remaining on a 6 mil cap hit, possibly to take off next summer or sign a deal worth even more, how is it that Luongo is regarded as being such a tough deal to swing? Smaller cap hit, signed beyond just the following year and comparable in terms of statistics... Why such blatant disregard? |
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robz228
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: NY Joined: 07.07.2010
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Somebody has to clear this up for me... If Miller is worth what everybody says he is, with a year remaining on a 6 mil cap hit, possibly to take off next summer or sign a deal worth even more, how is it that Luongo is regarded as being such a tough deal to swing? Smaller cap hit, signed beyond just the following year and comparable in terms of statistics... Why such blatant disregard? - alcatrazhockey
is this really a question? hes signed til hes 60 |
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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY Joined: 07.16.2006
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Somebody has to clear this up for me... If Miller is worth what everybody says he is, with a year remaining on a 6 mil cap hit, possibly to take off next summer or sign a deal worth even more, how is it that Luongo is regarded as being such a tough deal to swing? Smaller cap hit, signed beyond just the following year and comparable in terms of statistics... Why such blatant disregard? - alcatrazhockey
He's 34 and has 9 year left on his deal. |
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OneKaneOneCup
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 06.21.2013
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Somebody has to clear this up for me... If Miller is worth what everybody says he is, with a year remaining on a 6 mil cap hit, possibly to take off next summer or sign a deal worth even more, how is it that Luongo is regarded as being such a tough deal to swing? Smaller cap hit, signed beyond just the following year and comparable in terms of statistics... Why such blatant disregard? - alcatrazhockey
Because Luongo is signed for 83 more years and is older. Plus Miller is better, not by much but is better |
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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: albany, NY Joined: 02.21.2007
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just because goalie value is inflated right now, doesn't mean mean anybody wants a 33 y/o headcase goalie with very little playoff success and a huge cap hit. No one is going to pay for him what Toronto (the city that has less idea how to value players than even you) paid for Bernier. The reason teams are interested in your headcase is to poach him should he be bought out. - flyerscup2011
Two Eastern Conference Finals doesn't count eh?
That was also coincidently the last time he played on a team that was any good. |
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OneKaneOneCup
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 06.21.2013
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Somebody has to clear this up for me... If Miller is worth what everybody says he is, with a year remaining on a 6 mil cap hit, possibly to take off next summer or sign a deal worth even more, how is it that Luongo is regarded as being such a tough deal to swing? Smaller cap hit, signed beyond just the following year and comparable in terms of statistics... Why such blatant disregard? - alcatrazhockey
Whoever trades for Lu has no choice but to buy him out after next year IMO so basically there both on 1 year deals, teams are just waiting for Lu to get bought out |
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Deadmau55
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: CA Joined: 06.07.2011
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Because Luongo is signed for 83 more years and is older. Plus Miller is better, not by much but is better - OneKaneOneCup
I disagree on miller being better.. but that's just me. |
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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY Joined: 07.16.2006
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Whoever trades for Lu has no choice but to buy him out after next year IMO so basically there both on 1 year deals, teams are just waiting for Lu to get bought out - OneKaneOneCup
Why? |
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OneKaneOneCup
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buffalo, NY Joined: 06.21.2013
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Why? - dadeadhead
Because they are stuck until he retires if they don't use the buyout. |
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JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over Joined: 09.06.2012
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Mike Schoop and the Bulldog, talking about how they want dedicated players that will play through a concussion. Schoop Saying they wish Tim COnnolly would have stepped up.
The Buffalo radio hosts, unbelieveable. - ImThatGuy
Whatever keeps 'em tuned in. |
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JCSabs06
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: The Edge...The only people who really know where it is have gone over Joined: 09.06.2012
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I disagree on miller being better.. but that's just me. - Deadmau55
They choke about equally well. |
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Because they are stuck until he retires if they don't use the buyout. - OneKaneOneCup
Nope, I believe Vancouver will be hit with that, not any team that acquires him. |
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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY Joined: 07.16.2006
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I disagree on miller being better.. but that's just me. - Deadmau55
They are in that area between 11-20 where there is no real difference between them. It comes down to personal choice as to where you list them. |
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Whoever trades for Lu has no choice but to buy him out after next year IMO so basically there both on 1 year deals, teams are just waiting for Lu to get bought out - OneKaneOneCup
They can buy out Lu any year in the next 8 after next as long as he stays healthy. |
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Vukota
New York Islanders |
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Joined: 06.29.2007
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Ive wanted Nino here since I saw him play in the world Juniors when it was in Buffalo. So I would be all over this.
Miller for Nino+2nd in 2013+2nd 2014(if resigned) 3rd if not. - ImThatGuy
Not terrible but the Isles don't have a 2nd this year. |
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dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY Joined: 07.16.2006
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Because they are stuck until he retires if they don't use the buyout. - OneKaneOneCup
He can retire in 4-5 years and the cap hit goes away. |
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Nope, I believe Vancouver will be hit with that, not any team that acquires him. - theblueandgold
I looked it up and played a scenario.
If he were to be traded to Florida this offseason and retired in 2016, the Canucks would have the largest cap recapture penalty between the two teams, but they both would be penalized. |
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Deadmau55
Los Angeles Kings |
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Location: CA Joined: 06.07.2011
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They are in that area between 11-20 where there is no real difference between them. It comes down to personal choice as to where you list them. - dadeadhead
I still remember when one of your guys said Miller was better then Quick. Had he said that during this years playoffs... depending on the game... I may have agreed with him. |
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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY Joined: 11.04.2010
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Not terrible but the Isles don't have a 2nd this year. - Vukota
Ah poop i forgot about that. So a mid tier prospect instead of the 2nd? |
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Beezer33
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: WNY, NY Joined: 07.01.2011
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I looked it up and played a scenario.
If he were to be traded to Florida this offseason and retired in 2016, the Canucks would have the largest cap recapture penalty between the two teams, but they both would be penalized. - theblueandgold
they need to buy him out. i know ballard is a guy they want to get rid of but even if they trade him that penalty will always be around. he needs to be bought out as many have said he will be |
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I still remember when one of your guys said Miller was better then Quick. Had he said that during this years playoffs... depending on the game... I may have agreed with him. - Deadmau55
I dont think Quick would be what he is in LA in Buffalo. |
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