I just assumed your mind never left the gutter.
- DarthKane

Oh my, I'm busted.

And being located in the Beaver State and a Oregon State Believer....
- Beaver-Warrior

How very convenient...

My Mt. Hawkmore just happen to be the 4 Hawks' ambassadors.

How very convenient...
- Lash8

The "b" side of the State of Oregon Flag.

The "b" side of the State of Oregon Flag.


- Beaver-Warrior

I'm just heckling. Still, it's appropriate for somebody whose mind is in the gutter. Darth called me out on being a professional porn surfer, so I felt the need to pass the buck a little.

And if he does, what's to say that the Avs wouldn't take MacKinnon first? Everybody expects them to take Jones, but I thought I read somewhere that they hadn't decided yet.
- Lash8

Still...you keep Seabrook. Even during on off year Seabrook is great and a leader on the team. I keep thinking back to the game against Detroit where Toews had a meltdown, who was the guy who went to the penalty box to console Toews and calm him down - Seabrook. I know Jones is suppose to be the next great defenseman, but I wouldn't trade Seabrook to get him. It's not even close.

Still...you keep Seabrook. Even during on off year Seabrook is great and a leader on the team. I keep thinking back to the game against Detroit where Toews had a meltdown, who was the guy who went to the penalty box to console Toews and calm him down - Seabrook. I know Jones is suppose to be the next great defenseman, but I wouldn't trade Seabrook to get him. It's not even close.
- DarthKane

Mind you - there are people on here that want to trade Seabs AND TT for that pick. Yeah... that's pure lunacy.

Still...you keep Seabrook. Even during on off year Seabrook is great and a leader on the team. I keep thinking back to the game against Detroit where Toews had a meltdown, who was the guy who went to the penalty box to console Toews and calm him down - Seabrook. I know Jones is suppose to be the next great defenseman, but I wouldn't trade Seabrook to get him. It's not even close.
- DarthKane

Neither would I. I was inferring that trading for the #2 pick to get MacKinnon isn't a guarantee.

I'm just heckling. Still, it's appropriate for somebody whose mind is in the gutter. Darth called me out on being a professional porn surfer, so I felt the need to pass the buck a little.
- Lash8

Right on. That Darth is a troublemaker isn't he?

Why trade Seabrook? I agree that MacKinnon would be great, but one of the main keys to the Blackhawks' success has been their defense. Granted, Seabs isn't playing his best hockey right now but you still don't trade him. TT, Bolland and a pick would be fine. Either this summer or next Bolland will be another salary cap victim anyway. But would Uncle Dale make that deal?
- DarthKane

Mainly for cap flexibility. Bolland will probably be traded this OS anyways.

Trading Seabs gives you serious cap space to lock in Hammer, Toews and Kane as well as others. Maybe even gives you space to grab another quality D man cheaper than S.

I do like your idea of TT, Bolland and the Hawk's #1. Made the deal richer due to the discussion about the rumored Buffalo/Avs deal.

I'd hate to see Seabs go but that is the hard cap. Hawks cannot afford to lose Hammer, Toews or Kane without a return back.

No move this summer means they may have to move Hammer next season if they cannot extend him. Seabs has an NMC I think so maybe it would be Hammer moving this OS? Hard to say but they cannot allow the cap to break up the core without replacements ready.

Right on. That Darth is a troublemaker isn't he?
- Beaver-Warrior

Indeed, but he knows his hockey and makes fun pictures, so I'm ok with it.

Seabs and TT should get the # 2. Maybe even TT, Bolland and the Hawks 1st. MacKinnon on this team would be scary. I think they would keep Jones in Rockford at least a year.
- tredbrta

I would do both deals for sure. It would be nice if all it took was TT, Bolland, and the 30th. Then maybe trade one of our top 4 D for something else. I still think we need to shed a little more salary

And if he does, what's to say that the Avs wouldn't take MacKinnon first? Everybody expects them to take Jones, but I thought I read somewhere that they hadn't decided yet.
- Lash8

If they take MacKinnon you have Jones or Drouin. Either will be NHL ready next year or very soon.

This is really more about the cap and the choices they have than Seabs.

Still...you keep Seabrook. Even during on off year Seabrook is great and a leader on the team. I keep thinking back to the game against Detroit where Toews had a meltdown, who was the guy who went to the penalty box to console Toews and calm him down - Seabrook. I know Jones is suppose to be the next great defenseman, but I wouldn't trade Seabrook to get him. It's not even close.
- DarthKane

And, if keeping Seabrook means you will lose Hammer? Younger and healthier. More upside.

These are just being posed as choices. I love Seabs. Only D man we have who hits. But this hard cap hell has to be maneuvered in advance.

It may end up being Oduya and some others that get moved or Hammer. Who knows? Just throwing it out there.

I found this on mbumholesports

anyway this is the word according to them on Horton:

According to a source with direct knowledge of the situation, Nathan Horton has been dealing with chronic left shoulder subluxation, which caused him to leave Wednesday’s Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals during the first overtime. The injury was originally suffered when Horton fought Penguins forward Jarome Iginla on April 20.
Horton has received shots prior to each game to deal with the pain, and though his shoulder has popped out of its socket at points during the playoffs, Wednesday’s occurrence, when he bumped into Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson. Yet he is second in the NHL in playoff scoring (behind only David Krejci) and is leading the entire NHL in plus minus this post season. This guy is friggin gamer.

Anyway, there had been speculation that Horton had been playing with an "upper body injury" but it was nothing more than a speculation (and vague speculation, at that). Now that the exact injury has been revealed, it will be interesting to see if the Blackhawks will get more physical with Horton in an attempt to exploit the shoulder.


it goes on to say how the bruins will still beat the Hawks etc etc etc

Just thought I would share

If they take MacKinnon you have Jones or Drouin. Either will be NHL ready next year or very soon.

This is really more about the cap and the choices they have than Seabs.
- tredbrta

True, but without knowing how much the cap will rise for the 14-15 season, it's hard to know how dire the situation will be. With television ratings increasing and 6 outdoor games, the 14-15 cap will likely be higher than this year's.

Given the history of this team, though, there will probably be some cap casualties that we'll be lamenting 3 years down the line like we are today with Byfuglien, Ladd, etc. Given his salary and performance this season relative to other members of the core, Seabrook does sound like a logical candidate to be traded. I wouldn't be happy about it, though.

Mainly for cap flexibility. Bolland will probably be traded this OS anyways.

Trading Seabs gives you serious cap space to lock in Hammer, Toews and Kane as well as others. Maybe even gives you space to grab another quality D man cheaper than S.

I do like your idea of TT, Bolland and the Hawk's #1. Made the deal richer due to the discussion about the rumored Buffalo/Avs deal.

I'd hate to see Seabs go but that is the hard cap. Hawks cannot afford to lose Hammer, Toews or Kane without a return back.

No move this summer means they may have to move Hammer next season if they cannot extend him. Seabs has an NMC I think so maybe it would be Hammer moving this OS? Hard to say but they cannot allow the cap to break up the core without replacements ready.
- tredbrta

Some people mention trading Seabs to get Mackinnon. I wouldn't do that either. While you may solve the 2C dilemma you just end up creating a hole on defense. Why fill one void only to create another?

Stan won't move Kane and Toews, but if it came down to Seabrook vs Hjalmarsson then Seabs stays, again it's not even close. As much as I like Hjalmarsson you can't keep him over Seabrook.

All the talk of trading Keith (previously) and Seabrook is nonsense. These guys may not be on the same level as Lidstrom but they would be damn near impossible to replace right now (at least not for a lower cap hit). The time may come when Keith or Seabrook get dealt, but as long as this team has a legitimate shot to contend it won't happen.

And, if keeping Seabrook means you will lose Hammer? Younger and healthier. More upside.

These are just being posed as choices. I love Seabs. Only D man we have who hits. But this hard cap hell has to be maneuvered in advance.

It may end up being Oduya and some others that get moved or Hammer. Who knows? Just throwing it out there.
- tredbrta

This could happen, although I am in no rush to get rid of Oduya. I know Oduya can be inconsistent and he's overpaid, but he's been really good for us especially in these playoffs. How many times has he dove to block a shot...lots. I know Hjalmarsson does it too, so my preference would be to keep them both (of possible).

Mind you - there are people on here that want to trade Seabs AND TT for that pick. Yeah... that's pure lunacy.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Yes, yes. Here comes the lecture about these are only prospects until they get to the nhl and they may jump off a bridge, slip in the kitchen, or go Ryan Leaf....

The top 3 are can't miss by consensus and the possibility of injury applies to Seabs as much as anyone else. Maybe more so because of his age and history.

No room for loyalty with a hard cap. This is where the Hawks need to leave the Wings model behind and adopt sort of a highbrid Yankees model. Can't be afraid to move a fan favorite if the return is there.

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Hey all. I'm the new kid on the block. I've been lurking around this Blackhawk forum for about three years now, and have finally had the "courage" (or the realization that you don't need to pay to post) to create an account.

Anyhow, I promise I'm no band-wagoner that's hopping on for the ride. I generally read all JJ's blogs and try to follow along with
- TommyHawk[almost] all of the posts on this particular message board. I look forward to contributing to the discussions.

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Welcome TommyHawk!

I still think we need to shed a little more salary
- tomcat24

That's what it looks like unless the cap really jumps after 13-14.

Hey all. I'm the new kid on the block. I've been lurking around this Blackhawk forum for about three years now, and have finally had the "courage" (or the realization that you don't need to pay to post) to create an account.
Anyhow, I promise I'm no band-wagoner that's hopping on for the ride. I generally read all JJ's blogs and try to follow along with
- TommyHawk[almost] all of the posts on this particular message board. I look forward to contributing to the discussions.
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Welcome Tommy Boy .

Join the chaos and live nonsense during the games themselves or post actual quality thoughts like some of the smart people that stop by here. Enjoy !

True, but without knowing how much the cap will rise for the 14-15 season, it's hard to know how dire the situation will be. With television ratings increasing and 6 outdoor games, the 14-15 cap will likely be higher than this year's.

Given the history of this team, though, there will probably be some cap casualties that we'll be lamenting 3 years down the line like we are today with Byfuglien, Ladd, etc. Given his salary and performance this season relative to other members of the core, Seabrook does sound like a logical candidate to be traded. I wouldn't be happy about it, though.
- Lash8

Good assessment. Never know what those 6 games may bring. If the FO doesn't see a large increase coming then they need to move early.

I would a lot less sad about any core player if they got back a potential Stamkos, Toews or Pronger plus cap flexibility though.

If the Hawks win the Cup.. Which I believe they will you will probably see Stan Bowman move a roster player or two and high valued prospect for Florida's #2 pick.

Sheds salary for the Hawks in a year that they would have serious fan equity and gets another blue chipper even though it may cost Oduya , Bolland , TT and or soe combo thereof ... We'll see.