A forward? Ok: Girardi and Miller

I'm just curious. In order, how would you rate this 4 guys?
- Orpik44

I edited.

But it's mcd girardi staal delzotto

i think i would as well. i may have a preference for mcdonaugh though, although i feel theyd be more reluctant to part with him
- stayinthefnnet

Yea not trading him

You came and trolled
- Slimtj100

Ya next time, I'll come and introduce myself first so you guys don't throw a Tortorella tantrum

I'd do it straight up actually.
- Oneonta Penguin

It really helps both teams alot

Ya next time, I'll come and introduce myself first so you guys don't throw a Tortorella tantrum
- nelson911

Relax pardner. Just having fun with you. If I was Pitt I would've hired tocchet

Yea not trading him
- Slimtj100

haha i wouldnt think so. id move letang for him in an instant.

haha i wouldnt think so. id move letang for him in an instant.
- stayinthefnnet

He's the foundation

He's the foundation
- Slimtj100

haha you could have a new foundation that wears 58

haha you could have a new foundation that wears 58
- stayinthefnnet

Nah. I like 58 don't get me wrong. Exactly what they need. But mcdonagh is just so important to them

Nah. I like 58 don't get me wrong. Exactly what they need. But mcdonagh is just so important to them
- Slimtj100

totally understand. id covet the hell out of him too. stud and young. girardi is no slouch either, but mcdonagh is special

It really helps both teams alot
- Slimtj100

I'd never do a Letang for Girardi straight up. If you add JT.Miller, he's yours.

I'd never do a Letang for Girardi straight up. If you add JT.Miller, he's yours.
- Orpik44

Nah I can't include him. Well chances are you gotta trade letang down the line or you lose him for nothing.

It'll never happen with us but it is a perfect match with the two players

I agree. But he's talking like his coach is god
- Slimtj100

Pittsburgh's coach? Nope. He is flawed.

I edited.

But it's mcd girardi staal delzotto
- Slimtj100

So, basically its McD and Girardi. If Staal s third and he is a major, major question mark, that tells me alot about what you think of MDZ.

I'd never do a Letang for Girardi straight up. If you add JT.Miller, he's yours.
- Orpik44

Girardi is a better defenseman. I'm not sure you watched the play-offs this year or last. Everyone saw it and saw Letang's flaws.

Nah I can't include him. Well chances are you gotta trade letang down the line or you lose him for nothing.

It'll never happen with us but it is a perfect match with the two players
- Slimtj100

Girardi alone is not worth Letang. It's just my opinion.

Girardi is a better defenseman. I'm not sure you watched the play-offs this year or last. Everyone saw it and saw Letang's flaws.
- Oneonta Penguin

and girardi is pretty damn good. his strengths are exactly what the pens need.

and girardi is pretty damn good. his strengths are exactly what the pens need.
- stayinthefnnet

On second thought, this makes no sense either. Like Letang, Girardi is a UFA after the season, so ... we need someone locked up more than one year.

Girardi alone is not worth Letang. It's just my opinion.
- Orpik44

There isn't as much difference between the two. One is more defensive minded, while the other is a forward playing defense. If you add, its a third round pick, not a premier prospect.

On second thought, this makes no sense either. Like Letang, Girardi is a UFA after the season, so ... we need someone locked up more than one year.
- Oneonta Penguin

didnt know that about him. would hate to see him bolt. we need assets that are going to be able to contribute long term. although if we are doing this hypothetical that wont happen anyway, why not take it even further? a sign and trade involving both locked up long term? could be a potentially great hockey trade for both teams.

Girardi is a better defenseman. I'm not sure you watched the play-offs this year or last. Everyone saw it and saw Letang's flaws.
- Oneonta Penguin

It's easy to kick a guy when he's down. Perhaps he wasn't that good but so wasn't most of our team. Changing d partners every time doesn't help much either. I really like Girardi and I think he'd do well in Pittsburgh but I also know how valuable Letang is for us.

It's easy to kick a guy when he's down. Perhaps he wasn't that good but so wasn't most of our team. Changing d partners every time doesn't help much either. I really like Girardi and I think he'd do well in Pittsburgh but I also know how valuable Letang is for us.
- Orpik44

As I said, there is little difference between the two. Easy to kick a guy when he was down? He was God awful last year against Philly and terrible defensively in this year's play-offs, especially against the Islanders. No, changing D partners isn't a good thing. There needs to be stability. However, the way he plays - he is a forward, not much of a Dman.

Value in Girardi is close to Letang IMO. Letang blows Girardi away offensively, but defensively - its reversed, but not large.

Relax dude, the deal would never happen. You continue to overvalue him a bit. You want Shattenkirk + another major component for him. That is too much.

It has to be a young ready Dman on entry level contract; a first round pick and a forward prospect IMO. Sounds like the Staal deal. Except that young Dman better be good, not a prospect.

There isn't as much difference between the two. One is more defensive minded, while the other is a forward playing defense. If you add, its a third round pick, not a premier prospect.
- Oneonta Penguin

I never had major concerns about Letang's defensive game nor thought him to be a Mike Green or Karlsson type of player. He wasn't what we expected indeed but he'll rebound back. That said, he probably will make too much money. Perhaps a sign and trade for Girardi + could work. I don't think Daniel will get anything above $5-5.5M, will he?

I never had major concerns about Letang's defensive game nor thought him to be a Mike Green or Karlsson type of player. He wasn't what we expected indeed but he'll rebound back. That said, he probably will make too much money. Perhaps a sign and trade for Girardi + could work. I don't think Daniel will get anything above $5-5.5M, will he?
- Orpik44

Gonchar got 5 million and Streit probably will as well. You tell me what Girardi will make. Thank Dallas and Philadelphia for grossly overpaying old Dmen and in Streit's case, a lousy Dman.

As I said, there is little difference between the two. Easy to kick a guy when he was down? He was God awful last year against Philly and terrible defensively in this year's play-offs, especially against the Islanders. No, changing D partners isn't a good thing. There needs to be stability. However, the way he plays - he is a forward, not much of a Dman.

Value in Girardi is close to Letang IMO. Letang blows Girardi away offensively, but defensively - its reversed, but not large.

Relax dude, the deal would never happen. You continue to overvalue him a bit. You want Shattenkirk + another major component for him. That is too much.

It has to be a young ready Dman on entry level contract; a first round pick and a forward prospect IMO. Sounds like the Staal deal. Except that young Dman better be good, not a prospect.
- Oneonta Penguin

I could say Shattenkirk is worth Girardi in a straight up deal. I'm not playing NHL13 here, just my perception