It will be Lu and 1st to TB because of next seasons alignment and TB needs to compete with the big boys, or Lu and 1st to Col because Roy wants a vet goalie..if TB, wont be surprised if Vinnie gets comp buyout - JIMI-JAMES
What the hell is in the water in Toronto for you people to come up with this poop?
Trying to get into the top 4 means NSH at 4, otherwise they would ahve said trying to get top 3 or top two or the first overall.
Secondly, this is where they try to offer Kesler who is exactly a NSH type player and anyone who follows VAN with even a passing glance has noticed all the talk of Kesler's time in Van coming to an end possibly.
It will take Edler as well I'd wager.
Van fans will think it will be for Luongo straight up as per hockeybuzz logic. - yaktalksback
Trying to get into the top 4 means they have a player (or players) in the top 4 they want and are likely in discussions with multiple teams in the top 4 in regards to potential trades. It does not mean all their eggs are in one basket (NAS).
My source tells me that someone just plugged a new Trade-database-members-only thingie and this be the hype that follows.
Saying that, no, I do not believe Kes is moving. Although, the Canucks pretty much played without him for the last 2 years and did not show themselves to be half bad.
Who takes over for Kes if traded? Kassian? Nope... Higgins -- PAH-Lease.... we have had so many Higgens-Pyatt-Bernier-Sandlak 2nd line hopefuls with no strength or toughness in front.... I do not think they can replace kes.
Is the league thought Kes was available, I think we would see major momentum out of Philly, Detroit and New York... not Florida.
Edler to Florida makes much more sense. Packaged with Booth? - Beatle_john
Agree. Kesler leaves too much of a hole to fill. Burrows on the other hand...
It will be Lu and 1st to TB because of next seasons alignment and TB needs to compete with the big boys, or Lu and 1st to Col because Roy wants a vet goalie..if TB, wont be surprised if Vinnie gets comp buyout
- JIMI-JAMES
If I was supposed to detect sarcasm from this then there is definitely something in the water up north.
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Jun 7 @ 11:09 AM ET
What an interesting thread in that we all know that many, if not all, teams call and ask about what it takes to move into the first few picks. That's just due diligence -- I'd be disappointed, for instance, if Paul Holmgren didn't know what the price was.
But what makes this interesting is that Vancouver is in an interesting place. The GM has publicly stated they want to reset the team, and with a new coach coming in, no ties exist between that person and anyone on the roster. That is ripe for a trade.
Just from the outside looking in, Ryan Kesler has been hurt a lot, lately. Sometimes that's bad luck, and hockey's a tough sport. People get hurt.
But at the same time, Vancouver can play without him. They've proven that they can have some level of success -- we can debate about how much, but they've proven that they can compete, to some degree, without him on the ice.
I don't overvalue or undervalue players. There are some who are more valuable to their franchises than they would be to another, which makes trades a little trickier.
But for me just sitting here, I don't know why a deal involving Ryan Kesler couldn't be reached for one of the higher picks in the first round, if that's what Vancouver wanted to do. At some point, you have to go big or go home. You can't just let a team get old out of sentimentality. - AllInForFlyers
Not many teams can afford to let popular players play out their careers with the same team ala Yzerman & Lidstrom. We should have traded Iggy 2-3 years ago. To keep the team fertile you have to roll over & get the proper value or you wind up facing the rebuild cliff. If Canucks were to trade Kesler & get in the top 3, that's ballsy but fans would be commending the move 3 years from now. Sedins are unique in that because there are 2 of them, the value wont come close & who can gut their assets for 2 stars in their 30's & beginning of their decline.
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Jun 7 @ 11:11 AM ET
If....and that's a big IF... There is a trade that gets Vancouver into the top 4 picks, van fans are not going to like it. They will be giving up a lot to not only get the top 4 pick but something that is even more valuable to them at this point....cap space.
So yes. A deal like Kesler, Elder plus for the pick could happen. I don't see it though. Why would another team be so generous?
If it's the Canucks trading up for a top 4 pick then I'm guessing Kesler has a high chance of being involved, or potentially Schneider but that would be shocking. I'm not sure if Edler + first would be enough as the main parts of a package. - Nucker101
Well if you ask Esplen, Edler will get you TBay's #1 pick and a prospect, hahahahahahaha...
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Jun 7 @ 11:16 AM ET
Not many teams can afford to let popular players play out their careers with the same team ala Yzerman & Lidstrom. We should have traded Iggy 2-3 years ago. To keep the team fertile you have to roll over & get the proper value or you wind up facing the rebuild cliff. If Canucks were to trade Kesler & get in the top 3, that's ballsy but fans would be commending the move 3 years from now. Sedins are unique in that because there are 2 of them, the value wont come close & who can gut their assets for 2 stars in their 30's & beginning of their decline. - Kevin R
Which gm do you see out there willing to trade a pick that will likely be a franchise player for the next 15 plus years for a 5 mill cap hit that has not played half a season the last few years?
I don't see it. You can market MacKinnon for the next 15 years to a fan base.
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Jun 7 @ 11:16 AM ET
If....and that's a big IF... There is a trade that gets Vancouver into the top 4 picks, van fans are not going to like it. They will be giving up a lot to not only get the top 4 pick but something that is even more valuable to them at this point....cap space.
So yes. A deal like Kesler, Elder plus for the pick could happen. I don't see it though. Why would another team be so generous? - Iggysbff
A number of GMs across the league recognized that the reffing in the Canucks-Sharks playoff series was so unfair, that the Canucks deserve a break in the trading season this summer.
If it's the Canucks trading up for a top 4 pick then I'm guessing Kesler has a high chance of being involved, or potentially Schneider but that would be shocking. I'm not sure if Edler + first would be enough as the main parts of a package. - Nucker101
