This coming from the guy that admittedly knows nothing about the draft prospects. The reason is, not much seperates the top pick from the 5th overall pick in terms of projections. So they get a Number 11 pick in Ellis that is just emerging in the NHL, but still get a guy that will be a superstar at a position they need more, or get the guy they were going to draft at number 1 anyway.
- youarewrong

Don't need to know anything about the draft prospects to know that Ellis would not be enough for Colorado to swap the 1st overall pick for the 4th.

So what's Barkov comparable to, Malkin? Sedin? Give me a feeler here. I know Nichushkin reminds me a heckuvaton of Ovechkin in his size, style, and skill.
- JAKEw1234

Jarri Kurri compared him to Mikko Koivu.

I have to agree with Tomahawk, sure he was able to adapt some seasons, but he has had just as many bad seasons. I guess I see him as the Andy Reid of the NHL, good enough to stick around for a long time and be seen as good coach, but not good enough to win the big games.
- youarewrong

I think that's a very good comparison.

He's a capable coach, but I don't see him as better than Babcock. Or Carlyle. Or even Hitch. Hasn't won a playoff series in 6 or 7 years, IIRC
- Jsaquella

Or Sutter in LA. And Quenneville in Chicago.

Jarri Kurri compared him to Mikko Koivu.
- mayorofangrytown

Now that's a good comparison But maybe still not such a high pick. Koivu is a great player and an awesome leader, but I don't put him in the elite spectrum of forwards.

Don't need to know anything about the draft prospects to know that Ellis would not be enough for Colorado to swap the 1st overall pick for the 4th.
- MJL

For those interested, here are two articles that discuss the cost of trading up/down in the draft.

http://www.broadstreethoc...683/nhl-draft-trade-value

http://oilersnation.com/2...nhl-entry-draft-2001-2011

Going after a guy who is coming off a down year or whose current team has soured on might be the only option. Id roll the dice on EJ
- Jsaquella

For the right price, so would I. Still prefer Edler though.

Now that's a good comparison But maybe still not such a high pick. Koivu is a great player and an awesome leader, but I don't put him in the elite spectrum of forwards.
- JAKEw1234

He played against Koivu this fall in Finland during the lockout and Barkov was the best player on the ice. Does that make it better?

He played against Koivu this fall in Finland during the lockout and Barkov was the best player on the ice. Does that make it better?
- mayorofangrytown

That does, actually.

That does, actually.
- JAKEw1234

He's going to be great for Nashville.

So what's Barkov comparable to, Malkin? Sedin? Give me a feeler here. I know Nichushkin reminds me a heckuvaton of Ovechkin in his size, style, and skill.
- JAKEw1234

Reports are Nichuskin said he is coming to NHL regardless of his KHL contract. He is compaired to Ovechkin and Malkin and had the most dominate tourney at WJs. He was origially thought to drop out of the top 5 becuase he would have stayed in Russia for 2 seasons, but now Tampa seems intent on getting him. That makes Florida a hinge pick. But regardless the 4th pick will almost be as good as the first pick.

For those interested, here are two articles that discuss the cost of trading up/down in the draft.

http://www.broadstreethoc...683/nhl-draft-trade-value

http://oilersnation.com/2...nhl-entry-draft-2001-2011
- bradleyc4

Pulled this out from the Broadstreet article, something interesting and funny looking back in hindsight .......

"People who are thinking that the 20th pick and Sergei Bobrovsky would be an enticing package for Tampa Bay at #10 are either wildly overvaluing a goalie who is 31st out of 39 in save percentage over the last two years or wildly undervaluing the cost of moving up in the first round."

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Power Forwards in 2013 Draft, Connections Matter
- bmeltzer

Many on this list I'm a fan of for the draft. Watched a lot of Remi Elie and each announcing team said he was underrated and playing a similar role to what Bo Horvat had played the prior year and next year with some moving on that he'll be moved up and given more responsibility .

For those interested, here are two articles that discuss the cost of trading up/down in the draft.

http://www.broadstreethoc...683/nhl-draft-trade-value

http://oilersnation.com/2...nhl-entry-draft-2001-2011
- bradleyc4

So the closest I saw was in 2003 when pittsburg traded the 3rd overall, 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder for the 1st overall. So for only 1 spot lower down, my "offer" of the 4th overall and Ellis (11th overall) is about right.

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- wilsonecho91

Are you saying that he fathered a cake with a sportscaster"?

Here is something interesting, the more I am looking at it, the more I think Seth Jones could drop to the 4th overall pick. Florida is in desperate need of scoring. Someone to pair with Huber. Thier defense is solid and dont need Seth Jones. They might take Drouin. Which brings us to Tampa. They would have a tough decision to make because they already have Hedman and they are very, very high on Nichuskin.

The queston is, if Jones dropped to 4th, could the Flyers trade with Nashville to get him... What would that cost? 11th overall, Couturier, 2nd rounder and next years first? Would you do it?

Here is something interesting, the more I am looking at it, the more I think Seth Jones could drop to the 4th overall pick. Florida is in desperate need of scoring. Someone to pair with Huber. Thier defense is solid and dont need Seth Jones. They might take Drouin. Which brings us to Tampa. They would have a tough decision to make because they already have Hedman and they are very, very high on Nichuskin.

The queston is, if Jones dropped to 4th, could the Flyers trade with Nashville to get him... What would that cost? 11th overall, Couturier, 2nd rounder and next years first? Would you do it?
- youarewrong

no.

Here is something interesting, the more I am looking at it, the more I think Seth Jones could drop to the 4th overall pick. Florida is in desperate need of scoring. Someone to pair with Huber. Thier defense is solid and dont need Seth Jones. They might take Drouin. Which brings us to Tampa. They would have a tough decision to make because they already have Hedman and they are very, very high on Nichuskin.

The queston is, if Jones dropped to 4th, could the Flyers trade with Nashville to get him... What would that cost? 11th overall, Couturier, 2nd rounder and next years first? Would you do it?
- youarewrong

No!

Are you saying that he fathered a cake with a sportscaster"?
- Jsaquella

to be clear on the record, i am not defaming anyone in any manner.

Here is something interesting, the more I am looking at it, the more I think Seth Jones could drop to the 4th overall pick. Florida is in desperate need of scoring. Someone to pair with Huber. Thier defense is solid and dont need Seth Jones. They might take Drouin. Which brings us to Tampa. They would have a tough decision to make because they already have Hedman and they are very, very high on Nichuskin.

The queston is, if Jones dropped to 4th, could the Flyers trade with Nashville to get him... What would that cost? 11th overall, Couturier, 2nd rounder and next years first? Would you do it?
- youarewrong

Tampa would not pass on Jones. But that doesnt even matter because Florida wouldn't either. They need scoring but they are also giving up the most goals in the league....

If one of these top D men is going to fall it's going to be Nurse.

Tampa would not pass on Jones. But that doesnt even matter because Florida wouldn't either. They need scoring but they are also giving up the most goals in the league....

If one of these top D men is going to fall it's going to be Nurse.
- hereticpride

I dont think Nurse is as top as people think.

Here is something interesting, the more I am looking at it, the more I think Seth Jones could drop to the 4th overall pick. Florida is in desperate need of scoring. Someone to pair with Huber. Thier defense is solid and dont need Seth Jones. They might take Drouin. Which brings us to Tampa. They would have a tough decision to make because they already have Hedman and they are very, very high on Nichuskin.

The queston is, if Jones dropped to 4th, could the Flyers trade with Nashville to get him... What would that cost? 11th overall, Couturier, 2nd rounder and next years first? Would you do it?
- youarewrong

Jones will still likely go first, to Colorado. He fills a need, gives them a nice buzz with the whole (even incorrect) hometown kid angle and is still rated as the top prospect by most scouting entities.

That said, if MacKinnon goes first, it's possible that Jones drops. Florida has drafted a few defensemen in the last few years and could certainly go for Drouin, who would give them a sick pair with Huberdeau.

The thing is, if he does drop to 4, Nashville might not be willing to trade with the Flyers. There's been enough reliable reports that say that Brett Wilson is still livid with the Flyers over the Weber offer sheet.

I also wouldn't be that happy trading, basically, 3 1st rounders and a second rounder to move up and get Jones. That's an astronomical price for a guy who is not a sure bet.

I'd rather stand pat and get a shot at Pulock, Nurse, Zadorov, Morrissey or Ristolainen(or some of the other forwards like Horvat, Lazar or Shinkruk) who might be there at 11.

Tampa would not pass on Jones. But that doesnt even matter because Florida wouldn't either. They need scoring but they are also giving up the most goals in the league....

If one of these top D men is going to fall it's going to be Nurse.
- hereticpride

Nurse isn't really in the top 5 with Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Nichushkin. He's getting attention because he's a physical machine, who dominates because he's bigger and stronger than everyone else.

But there's teams that figure they can build on that.

Nurse isn't really in the top 5 with Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov and Nichushkin. He's getting attention because he's a physical machine, who dominates because he's bigger and stronger than everyone else.

But there's teams that figure they can build on that.
- Jsaquella

We are definately thinking alike on this draft. The fact is Mckinnon, Drouin, and Jones are 1a, 1b, and 1c. They really could go anyway. Jones shot up the ranks after his WJ performance, and dropped from the Finals. McKinnon is on top of eveyones mouth right now because of the final 9 games of the finals, but remember he was also absent prior to getting hot in those 9 games. A lot of people also discuss if McKinnon makes Drouin better or Drouin make McKinnon better. At a time he was ranked ahead of McKinnon too.

If Colorado has good repor with Tampa and Florida and they say they will take Drouin and Nichushkin, then a deal with Nashville (who needs a center like McKinnon bad) might be Colorado's best interest.