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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
I don't think it will take that much unless you're moving to the top 20.

The one thing I like about this years draft and it's gone pretty much unsaid, is the amount of time, with the lockout, Holmgren had to spend looking at draft eligible kids. When that was his main job, tracking prospects, he was pretty damn good at it.

- mayorofangrytown


Agreed, this could be key as this draft will be pivotal to the team's future.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 23 @ 4:16 PM ET
You know the NHL and media will have a field day with lines like "book'em Dano"


- coffee junkie


Panotch is already concocting a "Marko Polo" moniker for him after his first 5-game pointless streak.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
The Rangers PP has been a disaster this season. That has been their undoing.

Not losing "some grit".

- bradleyc4



2012-13: 15.7%
2011-12: 15.7%

It's been terrible this spring, but they got to the ECF running on 17%, so...
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
2012-13: 15.7%
2011-12: 15.7%

It's been terrible this spring, but they got to the ECF running on 17%, so...

- Tomahawk


Are you dropping some 'regression to the mean' bombs on me?

(thanks for the numbers)
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 4:26 PM ET
Id say top 5 could be perennial all-stars, 5-15 will all be top end players, 15-35 could all be impactful NHLers... obviously some will disappoint and some will surprise, but its a heck of a class..

At #11 the Flyers will no doubt get one hell of a player, whether its a forward OR a defenseman.

- jak521

So assuming Jones, MacKinnon, Drounin, Barkov are four of the top 5 who goes 5th and is your perennial all star?

Valeri Nichushkin - Darnell Nurse - Elias Lindholm
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
Are you dropping some 'regression to the mean' bombs on me?

(thanks for the numbers)

- bradleyc4



Nah, just pointing out that their PP has been a constant for the most part... they just aren't as hard to play against anymore. That 2011-12 team was a real grinder to go up against.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 23 @ 4:33 PM ET
So assuming Jones, MacKinnon, Drounin, Barkov are four of the top 5 who goes 5th and is your perennial all star?

Valeri Nichushkin - Darnell Nurse - Elias Lindholm

- mayorofangrytown


Lindholm then Monahan then Nichushkin to EDM

Read that Calgary wants Monahan if they can't get Barkov.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

May 23 @ 4:34 PM ET
So assuming Jones, MacKinnon, Drounin, Barkov are four of the top 5 who goes 5th and is your perennial all star?

Valeri Nichushkin - Darnell Nurse - Elias Lindholm

- mayorofangrytown

I wonder if Nichushkin saying he wants to come over to NA helps him much in the draft rank.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 23 @ 4:39 PM ET
I'd be more worried about his eye injury if I was the Rangers, rather than the chance of him leaving in two years. He played one game against Washington and hasn't played since.
- Feanor

I really doubt he plays again, or that if he does he's more than a shell. The way he talks about his peripheral vision isn't encouraging, even if he gets over the PCS.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 4:47 PM ET
Lindholm then Monahan then Nichushkin to EDM

Read that Calgary wants Monahan if they can't get Barkov.

- bradleyc4

They aren't getting Barkov. I haven't seen a single draft analysis or mock draft from anyone reputable where he falls out of the top five. That would be a huge surprise. They'll have a great shot at Monahan. He could be a foundation player for them.

I also don't think Nichushkin is dropping but you never know. Look at Alexei Cherepanov, I never thought he'd drop out of the top ten but he dropped into the 20s because of the signability factor.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 23 @ 4:47 PM ET
I know, it is terrible for Staal.
- Marc D


The same injury might have happened to L Schenn against Winnipeg if he wasn't wearing a visor.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 23 @ 4:48 PM ET
They aren't getting Barkov. I haven't seen a single draft analysis or mock draft from anyone reputable where he falls out of the top five. That would be a huge surprise. They'll have a great shot at Monahan. He could be a foundation player for them.

I also don't think Nichushkin is dropping but you never know. Look at Alexei Cherepanov, I never thought he'd drop out of the top ten but he dropped into the 20s because of the signability factor.

- mayorofangrytown


Some are saying that Nichushkin could go in the top-4. Even 3rd to Tampa (which I know, sounds crazy).
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 4:49 PM ET
I wonder if Nichushkin saying he wants to come over to NA helps him much in the draft rank.
- GirouxForTheShow

It's hard to say but I'd certainly think it would allay the fears of some clubs at the front of the draft that they may be wasting a pick. I know I'd be hesitant with so much riding on it. Although not a need a team like Edmonton is set up to take a bigger risk. I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 23 @ 4:51 PM ET
I wonder if Nichushkin saying he wants to come over to NA helps him much in the draft rank.
- GirouxForTheShow

Actually Dynamo Moscow is allowing him to leave to follow his dream. He'll be playing in North America next season.

EDIT: It's on condition that if he decides NA isn't all he's building it up to be and he doesn't like it, that he'll come back to them first in the KHL

Here's the full interview: http://en.rsport.ru/inter...w/20130523/663802581.html
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 23 @ 4:55 PM ET
So basically since 1995 the biggest contributor for the Flyers who was selected in the second round was Nodl? Holy poop, that is pathetic.

I especially love how Kulemin and Lucic were drafted after Nodl in 2006.

- PLindbergh31

right on queue
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 23 @ 5:09 PM ET
Actually Dynamo Moscow is allowing him to leave to follow his dream. He'll be playing in North America next season.

EDIT: It's on condition that if he decides NA isn't all he's building it up to be and he doesn't like it, that he'll come back to them first in the KHL

Here's the full interview: http://en.rsport.ru/inter...w/20130523/663802581.html

- JAKEw1234

Bailer! Ten Quidado!!
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 23 @ 5:19 PM ET
Can someone please explain this to me like I'm a four year old?

Why is it that the regular season had to be crammed into this tiny little window where teams could only have a day off every blue moon, sacrificing quality of play but during the PLAYOFFS everybody and their idiot brother gets two days off between games?

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 5:28 PM ET
Some are saying that Nichushkin could go in the top-4. Even 3rd to Tampa (which I know, sounds crazy).
- bradleyc4

I haven't seen him higher than 4 to be honest but I have seen him as low as 8. The one thing I think could push him out of the top 10 is if there are a run on Defensemen. I've seen a couple mock drafts that have 4 to 5 D going top 10. To me that sounds as insane as Nichushkin going 3rd but I guess it could happen.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 5:31 PM ET
Can someone please explain this to me like I'm a four year old?

Why is it that the regular season had to be crammed into this tiny little window where teams could only have a day off every blue moon, sacrificing quality of play but during the PLAYOFFS everybody and their idiot brother gets two days off between games?


- Doc_Sarcasm

It's ridiculous. Just like 5 straight days of one game per has transmorgified into 3 games tonight. WTF!!!

I will point out though that the 48 games for this season were played in just 4 less days than the last 48 games of 2012. It was more about the way the schedule was arranged.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 23 @ 5:34 PM ET
It's ridiculous. Just like 5 straight days of one game per has transmorgified into 3 games tonight. WTF!!!

I will point out though that the 48 games for this season were played in just 4 less days than the last 48 games of 2012. It was more about the way the schedule was arranged.

- mayorofangrytown



This is true. The Flyers (YES, I'M WHINING) got screwed by having that condensed training camp immediately followed up by 3 games in 4 nights, and then later on... they got 5 days off in a row. Classic scheduling.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 5:58 PM ET
2012-13: 15.7%
2011-12: 15.7%

It's been terrible this spring, but they got to the ECF running on 17%, so...

- Tomahawk


1 for 10 in the Series. And 2 for 38 overall in the playoffs.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

May 23 @ 5:58 PM ET
What's the love for Dano?
- coffee junkie

When he scores we can't chant "book 'em"
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

May 23 @ 6:08 PM ET
Some are saying that Nichushkin could go in the top-4. Even 3rd to Tampa (which I know, sounds crazy).
- bradleyc4

Well that interview quoted Tampa in saying that if Nichushkin promises to play in NA instead of the KHL then they were going to take him, if that helps his odds at all.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 23 @ 6:15 PM ET
Are you guys ready for Scott Laughton and Brad Richards next year to replace B Schenn and Coots when we trade them for Weber?
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

May 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
Are you guys ready for Scott Laughton and Brad Richards next year to replace B Schenn and Coots when we trade them for Weber?
- hereticpride



whatever you're smoking is probably bad for you.
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