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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 23 @ 3:41 PM ET
Lindbergh's reckless driving was something everyone smiled and laughed about (even his many friends on the police force in Portland and South Jersey), until it killed him one night. Even if Pelle hadn't touched a drop of alcohol that night -- and most nights during the season, he didn't drink -- the way he drove could still have had fatal consequences.
- bmeltzer


That's exactly what I meant with regards to the officers. They really didn't do him any favors by letting him go. One cannot learn from one's mistakes if they aren't perceived as mistakes.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
Wow, Richards going to be bought out. That is some serious cash! They will be paying him a little over $1.7M for 14 years (2026-2027). For a total of roughly $24M to NOT play for them. Why they signed the guy to the original 9 yr, 6.66M contract is amazing!

Edit: Has never even scored 30!

How much more will he make next year and where will he play?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
So basically since 1995 the biggest contributor for the Flyers who was selected in the second round was Nodl? Holy poop, that is pathetic.

I especially love how Kulemin and Lucic were drafted after Nodl in 2006.

- PLindbergh31

Im hoping the Flyers can go 1-2 with Pulock and Marko Dano

Dont know if Dano will make it to 41
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 23 @ 3:46 PM ET
Im hoping the Flyers can go 1-2 with Pulock and Marko Dano

Dont know if Dano will make it to 41

- jak521


Based on a good sample size, I'm not banking on the second round pick becoming anything. With a deep draft, I'm hopeful they find an NHL regular at # 11, but certainly that isn't a guarantee.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 23 @ 3:46 PM ET
I always made it a point whenever I went anyplace with Gump that I drove!!
- iScoop


Was a very wise and prudent thing to do.

coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 23 @ 3:47 PM ET
Im hoping the Flyers can go 1-2 with Pulock and Marko Dano

Dont know if Dano will make it to 41

- jak521

What's the love for Dano?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 23 @ 3:51 PM ET
they have to prepare for the day when Staal goes family reunion on them and heads south
- Marc D


I'd be more worried about his eye injury if I was the Rangers, rather than the chance of him leaving in two years. He played one game against Washington and hasn't played since.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 23 @ 3:52 PM ET
What's the love for Dano?
- coffee junkie

He kinda reminds me of bigger Brad Marchand... hes a quick, gritty, cocky SOB who has good offensive game to go with his physical game.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 3:59 PM ET
I got my RX-8 up to 128 once on a road which shall not be named. But I found if I truly wanted the rush of speed motorcycles were the way to go. You can be going 40 and feel like you're flying. I still have my license but no bike as my family would probably disown me if I rode that seriously. Somehow they think it's not safe....

- FlyersGrace


I save my speed for when I cash in my miles and upgrade to first class. 500mph and free booze, woohoo!!
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 23 @ 4:00 PM ET
From what I have seen of the Rangers, they just lack the same grit that they had last season.
- MBFlyerfan


You can tell that Torts probably doesn't have much input when it comes to player personnel. Losing Dubi and Prust really put a dent in their identity this season... they got some of it back w/ Dorsett (who's actually probably an upgrade over Prust in terms of a defensively responsible agitator), but overreaching for Nash put them where they are now. If it had been up to Torts, I'm sure he would have been happy just keeping the 2011-12 team intact -- they really had something there.

It's an age old lesson that the Flyers have failed to learn as well... you can go out and land big fish like Richards, Nash, Weber, (insert superstar name here), but it doesn't necessarily mean the team will be any better off for it. In fact, in many cases, the sacrifices that were made to make it happen will outweigh the benefits.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 4:03 PM ET
You can tell that Torts probably doesn't have much input when it comes to player personnel. Losing Dubi and Prust really put a dent in their identity this season... they got some of it back w/ Dorsett (who's actually probably an upgrade over Prust in terms of a defensively responsible agitator), but overreaching for Nash put them where they are now. If it had been up to Torts, I'm sure he would have been happy just keeping the 2011-12 team intact -- they really had something there.

It's an age old lesson that the Flyers have failed to learn as well... you can go out and land big fish like Richards, Nash, Weber, (insert superstar name here), but it doesn't necessarily mean the team will be any better off for it. In fact, in many cases, the sacrifices that were made to make it happen will outweigh the benefits.

- Tomahawk


Absolutely correct look at the last 10 years or so before the lockout, the Rangers had the leagues highest payroll nearly every season and I believe they missed the playoffs something like 7 years in a row.

This is why I really hope the Flyers show some patience (it's not a bad word Homer!!), hold on to ALL their young forwards, sign a stopgap guy like Mark Streit and continue to build through the draft.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 23 @ 4:05 PM ET
Absolutely correct look at the last 10 years or so before the lockout, the Rangers had the leagues highest payroll nearly every season and I believe they missed the playoffs something like 7 years in a row.

This is why I really hope the Flyers show some patience (it's not a bad word Homer!!), hold on to ALL their young forwards, sign a stopgap guy like Mark Streit and continue to build through the draft.

- BiggE

I'm fine with that. Who get's bought out to be cap complacent?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
You can tell that Torts probably doesn't have much input when it comes to player personnel. Losing Dubi and Prust really put a dent in their identity this season... they got some of it back w/ Dorsett (who's actually probably an upgrade over Prust in terms of a defensively responsible agitator), but overreaching for Nash put them where they are now. If it had been up to Torts, I'm sure he would have been happy just keeping the 2011-12 team intact -- they really had something there.

- Tomahawk


Absolutely agree about the Rangers.

Said the same thing when the Nash trade was consummated.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Based on a good sample size, I'm not banking on the second round pick becoming anything. With a deep draft, I'm hopeful they find an NHL regular at # 11, but certainly that isn't a guarantee.
- PLindbergh31



I'm going to be optimistic and hope that the Flyers find a number of quality players that become something in the future. I think the Flyers are going to get themselves a pretty good player at #11. If the talk I read on here is accurate as far as the depth of the draft.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 23 @ 4:09 PM ET
I'd be more worried about his eye injury if I was the Rangers, rather than the chance of him leaving in two years. He played one game against Washington and hasn't played since.
- Feanor

I know, it is terrible for Staal.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 4:10 PM ET
I'm going to be optimistic and hope that the Flyers find a number of quality players that become something in the future. I think the Flyers are going to get themselves a pretty good player at #11. If the talk I read on here is accurate as far as the depth of the draft.
- MJL


I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to try to package this 2nd, next years 2nd and a prospect other than Laughton to try and move up into the 1st round. With their track record on 1st round picks it would make a lot of sense to do so.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 4:11 PM ET
Based on a good sample size, I'm not banking on the second round pick becoming anything. With a deep draft, I'm hopeful they find an NHL regular at # 11, but certainly that isn't a guarantee.
- PLindbergh31

I'd really like to see them move that second round pick forward. This could be a great year to have multiple picks in the first 30 or so.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
I'd really like to see them move that second round pick forward. This could be a great year to have multiple picks in the first 30 or so.
- mayorofangrytown


You read my mind Sir.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
The Rangers PP has been a disaster this season. That has been their undoing.

Not losing "some grit".

Rick Nash is still an All-Star level forward who will greatly benefit from a real training camp with his new centers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
You can tell that Torts probably doesn't have much input when it comes to player personnel. Losing Dubi and Prust really put a dent in their identity this season... they got some of it back w/ Dorsett (who's actually probably an upgrade over Prust in terms of a defensively responsible agitator), but overreaching for Nash put them where they are now. If it had been up to Torts, I'm sure he would have been happy just keeping the 2011-12 team intact -- they really had something there.

It's an age old lesson that the Flyers have failed to learn as well... you can go out and land big fish like Richards, Nash, Weber, (insert superstar name here), but it doesn't necessarily mean the team will be any better off for it. In fact, in many cases, the sacrifices that were made to make it happen will outweigh the benefits.

- Tomahawk



The problem was that the identity the Rangers had last year, wasn't good enough either. They needed to make a change in personell. Now what they probably need more then ever, is a change in how they play. More then anything, their top offensive talent has let them down. Richards and Nash need to produce more offense. Especially on the PP.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
The Rangers PP has been a disaster this season. That has been their undoing.

Not losing "some grit".

Rick Nash is still an All-Star level forward who will greatly benefit from a real training camp with his new centers.

- bradleyc4



I agree. Top offensive players haven't got it done.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
The Rangers PP has been a disaster this season. That has been their undoing.

Not losing "some grit".

Rick Nash is still an All-Star level forward who will greatly benefit from a real training camp with his new centers.

- bradleyc4


Much like Bryz in Phoenix, Nash also benefited from basically playing pressure free hockey in Columbus, I have to wonder if the pressure of playing in New York is getting to him on some level.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'm going to be optimistic and hope that the Flyers find a number of quality players that become something in the future. I think the Flyers are going to get themselves a pretty good player at #11. If the talk I read on here is accurate as far as the depth of the draft.
- MJL

Id say top 5 could be perennial all-stars, 5-15 will all be top end players, 15-35 could all be impactful NHLers... obviously some will disappoint and some will surprise, but its a heck of a class..

At #11 the Flyers will no doubt get one hell of a player, whether its a forward OR a defenseman.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to try to package this 2nd, next years 2nd and a prospect other than Laughton to try and move up into the 1st round. With their track record on 1st round picks it would make a lot of sense to do so.
- BiggE

I don't think it will take that much unless you're moving to the top 20.

The one thing I like about this years draft and it's gone pretty much unsaid, is the amount of time, with the lockout, Holmgren had to spend looking at draft eligible kids. When that was his main job, tracking prospects, he was pretty damn good at it.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
He kinda reminds me of bigger Brad Marchand... hes a quick, gritty, cocky SOB who has good offensive game to go with his physical game.
- jak521

You know the NHL and media will have a field day with lines like "book'em Dano"

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