Has he been bad the entire playoff or just last night?
- johndewar

He hasnt been very productive point wise and has been nutting up a bit. Definately looks like a player that is frustrated.

Female dogging like that when they just won the cup a few years ago is pretty amazing. That fan base needs to sit in our shoes right now lol. Teows for sure was out of his element in his behavior but dude is a solid player and captain we are all human and can snap.
- flyerfan28

If you dont think that would happen here you are either extremely naive or high as poop.

He has 0 goals in the postseason. He was a top scorer this year. He has not only gone missing offensively, but he is all over the place, and costing his team in other ways.

Imagine if Giroux went completely missing in the playoffs, and was only spotted bec he was taking penalties... people would want him traded before the playoffs ended.

He hasnt been very productive point wise and has been nutting up a bit. Definately looks like a player that is frustrated.
- flyerfan28

Frustrated is exactly what it is. He is pressing... and in every facet.

He is literally all over the place.

If you dont think that would happen here you are either extremely naive or high as poop.

- jak521

I don't want to be a narc or anything, but I did see him hanging out with the Mayor of Toronto.

I think the biggest thing is that Lombardi showed tremendous patience in building that team. I remember fans and bloggers ragging on Lombardi saying he's afraid to make a move. And what is he waiting for? He made all the right moves, instead of just making moves. Carter and Richards are key pieces that they added. And I'm happy as poop that they got to skate the Cup. With all the nonsense that was spewed about them. They were top players here, and they are in LA. They have a hell of a team out there, top to bottom. I don't begrudge them their success for one second. I like the trades, and I like this team. Don't regret the trades for one single second. And anyone who wants to come and say the Flyers made a mistake. Let them. Who cares. Because that story is still being written as far as I'm concerned.
- MJL

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

Yes you can.

I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

Ah, pshaw, you say.

C'mon in! The schadenfreude is fine!

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

I hate it too.. I wont watch another team skate around with the Cup. It makes me sick... but as soon as the Flyers ARE eliminated I cheer for other guys or other teams.

If you dont think that would happen here you are either extremely naive or high as poop.

He has 0 goals in the postseason. He was a top scorer this year. He has not only gone missing offensively, but he is all over the place, and costing his team in other ways.

Imagine if Giroux went completely missing in the playoffs, and was only spotted bec he was taking penalties... people would want him traded before the playoffs ended.
- jak521

Not that hard to imagine, actually.

Giroux didn't look that great against NJD in the playoffs last year and actually got suspended.

It's one thing to point to someone's play and say that they are getting game planned. I feel like Toews got jumped a little bit in that column. That's all.

Ah, pshaw, you say.

C'mon in! The schadenfreude is fine!
- johndewar

It's just sports. I don't want to see anyone get hurt...but I do want to see them fail

It's just sports. I don't want to see anyone get hurt...but I do want to see them fail
- Dkos

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

I understand. But honestly, way too early to say a mistake was made. The player they drafted with the 8th pick in the Carter trade, is an infant in the NHL. Voracek is certainly if not at, real close to the same level of player that Carter is. If Couturier becomes the player I think he can be, that deal is a flat out steal. Remember, the Flyers traded Carter to Columbus. Not LA. The Richards trade doesn't look as strong right now. A lot is going to depend on Schenn. Far too much is unknown to call it a mistake. And part of what will forever remain unknown, is what would have happened if they had kept Richards and Carter.

Not that hard to imagine, actually.

Giroux didn't look that great against NJD in the playoffs last year and actually got suspended.

It's one thing to point to someone's play and say that they are getting game planned. I feel like Toews got jumped a little bit in that column. That's all.
- johndewar

I think it comes with the territory. If you accept the praise as the Captain and the best player when the team is winning, then you also have to accept the criticism when it's losing. Especially when the Captain and best player isn't producing like they need him to.

It's just sports. I don't want to see anyone get hurt...but I do want to see them fail
- Dkos

The only time I want to see another team fail, is when they're standing in the way for the team I root for.

New blog posted... As a lead-in to the first part of the Draft Sleepers series of blogs (Part I coming tonight or tomorrow morning), I did a reader poll on people's desired 1st-round pick for the Flyers.

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

the biggest mistake is giving up picks for aging vets...
it just doesn't work in the cap world

second biggest problem is not having the patience to let your prospects develop until they are ready... rushing out the kids when not mature rarely works

there's a reason why Detroit's system works
well that and they draft like muther(frank)ers

I understand. But honestly, way too early to say a mistake was made. The player they drafted with the 8th pick in the Carter trade, is an infant in the NHL. Voracek is certainly if not at, real close to the same level of player that Carter is. If Couturier becomes the player I think he can be, that deal is a flat out steal. Remember, the Flyers traded Carter to Columbus. Not LA. The Richards trade doesn't look as strong right now. A lot is going to depend on Schenn. Far too much is unknown to call it a mistake. And part of what will forever remain unknown, is what would have happened if they had kept Richards and Carter.
- MJL

With the Flyer's track record...it's hard not to say it was a mistake. Ok, so now they have some good young peices and they can build for the future. Isn't that where they were before they blew everything up?

I want to say it...the Flyers made a mistake. The King's success and Carter and Richard's success just serve to illustrate the mistakes the Flyers have made. I don't know if their trades specifically were "mistakes", but the way the Flyers have gone about building a team sure has been. I begrudge the success of the Kings and Carter and Richards. I know it's not Richards or Carter's fault that they were traded. I still don't want them to win. Not because they are bad guys, but because they aren't on my team anymore. I'm a Flyer's fan. This is sports...not reality. I can hate the other guys because they win and my guys don't.
- Dkos

But remember, the Flyers did not trade Carter to the Kings. That was a subsequent great deal Lombardi put together to help complete his team.

I don't think too many of us particularly like the way the Flyers have gone about constructing this team for some time now. That is legitimately something to be annoyed about, not that another GM had the patience and the foresight to put together a terrific team.

Here's another thing to be annoyed about - it wasn't that long age when both Lombardi and Hextall were under our roof.

But the deals that sent Richards and Carter away netted good returns that won't be totally realized for several years yet. People are down on this team for their lack of patience. Lets show a little now and see where the BSchenn's and Simmonds' and Coots' and Voracek' s lead us in the next couple of years.

New blog posted... As a lead-in to the first part of the Draft Sleepers series of blogs (Part I coming tonight or tomorrow morning), I did a reader poll on people's desired 1st-round pick for the Flyers.
- bmeltzer

It's too late, Bill. You lost us. We all headed over to Barry's blog for some timely professional insight.

do you?
- 2Real

Yes I do. A friend went to a game at the Shark Tank a few years ago and brought it home for me. Fridge wears him proudly.

With the Flyer's track record...it's hard not to say it was a mistake. Ok, so now they have some good young peices and they can build for the future. Isn't that where they were before they blew everything up?
- Dkos

No, before they were a team that lacked high draft picks and young prospects. That was one of the major reasons for making the trades. In combination with Cap issues, and lack of Cap flexibility. Now they have 4 young players, two of which are in their very early 20's to build around.
It's very clear that it is way too early to call the trades a mistake.