More than likely. He's not that bad of a player, still probably worth 4-5mil a year but his salary is 9, 8.5, 8.5 and 7 before it drops. Not good when his cap hit is 6.667. At a 6.667 cap hit I bet he'd be somewhat moveable if the actual cash wasn't so bad.
- Lahey

They were talking about that on the radio yesterday. He is getting the 8th highest ice time. People were figuring he was injured and they were keeping it quiet.

Richards is one of their best players. I have seen nothing to state otherwise. His numbers suck because he isn't getting played. They made the comparison to Hall at the worlds. The third highest goal scorer on the team and they never started him on the power play. People later said he wasn't producing so he didn't deserve to be on the power play but it is a self full filling proffecy. You don't play a guy, then he doesn't produce, so you play him less and you get in his head. Tortorello is done after this.

It would be like us going into the playoffs and not then moving Hall from line one to 3 just to bench him later for not producing on line 3 when the team starts losing.

What do you think the asking price for Kris Letang would be ? He had an unreal game last night.
- mbxiphos1527

Tough to tell. He looks good by association. Martin was average until this year. I don't know what they need? A top 5 goalie?

What do you think the odds of Nash, Car or Cal trading their pick at all? The theory is, everyone has a price. There is an outrageous price if they have a player they like or there is a normal price for a team that is okay with moving down.

Do you think any of them are looking to trade down? If so then our third round would probably be enough to move a spot or two, maybe 3. Likely if Nashville is moving it is for a dman or they like someone that no one else has on their list (probably not going to happen but in the scenario that they are willing to trade down then a third round would do it).

Carolina could very easily want a dman. They are a team that could flop either way with the pick. Nurse might be the best player at that spot. People are hunting forwards this year but Nurse is consistent with almost every scout to be the second best dman. They could trade down knowing that Calgary is likely not going to take him. Getting a third round to pick 2 spots later is generous. I think the Oil would grab an early third to pick 9th or 10th.

Maybe Columbus wants Quality. Their top two first rounds for our first and third. Or Calgary. Their last two first rounds for our first and 3rd next year. Possibilities if we trade down.

I don't think we will get the value our pick is worth in a trade for a player. For example: Yak is worth more now than he was as a pick. Hamilton is worth 10x more now than he was as a pick. Unless we can trade with McGillis or Feaster we aren't ripping anyone off.
- bsteinley

It's not a rip off at all. Trade Hemsky, our 1st round and our 3rd round to Columbus for their 14th and 19th overall. I'm sure they'll take that. Then trade our two second rounds to a team who's finishing anywhere from 25th to 30th place for their first round and take an early grab at Shea Theodore or William Carrier. Because they won't be around when we pick 37th overall in the second round.

This is really the only way the Oilers are going to make the best out of this draft.

Tough to tell. He looks good by association. Martin was average until this year. I don't know what they need? A top 5 goalie?
- bsteinley

Haha no kidding hey

I don't think much. Just look at Omark or Schremp or Nilsson or Patrick O'Sullivan
- Lahey

Those guys have more in common than short staures though. Terrible attitudes and work ethic.

What do you think the odds of Nash, Car or Cal trading their pick at all? The theory is, everyone has a price. There is an outrageous price if they have a player they like or there is a normal price for a team that is okay with moving down. I think it's very doubtful Nash or Car move their picks. Calgary I have no idea what they do but it's in their best interest to take the BPA to them.

Do you think any of them are looking to trade down? If so then our third round would probably be enough to move a spot or two, maybe 3. Likely if Nashville is moving it is for a dman or they like someone that no one else has on their list (probably not going to happen but in the scenario that they are willing to trade down then a third round would do it). I don't see those teams moving down. Teams seem to just take who they want early on nowadays. When's the last time we seen a trade down? I don't know what the cost to move up is, but I can't see NSH dropping that much just for a 3rd.

Carolina could very easily want a dman. They are a team that could flop either way with the pick. Nurse might be the best player at that spot. People are hunting forwards this year but Nurse is consistent with almost every scout to be the second best dman. They could trade down knowing that Calgary is likely not going to take him. Getting a third round to pick 2 spots later is generous. I think the Oil would grab an early third to pick 9th or 10th. Yesterday there was talk they wanted the Russian. Then the other x-factor is Barkov, Lindholm and Ristolainen. Say what you will, but it is not far fetched for someone to go off the board and take a euro player a lot earlier screwing everything up. Everyone seems to have Drouin going in the top 3, but what the hell happens when all of a sudden Nichuskin and Barkov go 3-4?

Maybe Columbus wants Quality. Their top two first rounds for our first and third. Or Calgary. Their last two first rounds for our first and 3rd next year. Possibilities if we trade down. I rather not trade down that much unless it involves a player. At 7 there is going to be a special player, 14 there might be but I rather not leave that in the fate of all those teams that pick in between. We don't need more picks we need quality.

I don't think we will get the value our pick is worth in a trade for a player. For example: Yak is worth more now than he was as a pick. Hamilton is worth 10x more now than he was as a pick. Unless we can trade with McGillis or Feaster we aren't ripping anyone off.
- bsteinley

See above.

As I mentioned yesterday what we think is consensus and what actually happens is night and day at times.

Not this again Is it so hard to realize that he can play both wings? I thought you were smarter than this
- MaximumBone

Just pointing out how he is listed and how he shoots. It was a simple statement.

They were talking about that on the radio yesterday. He is getting the 8th highest ice time. People were figuring he was injured and they were keeping it quiet.

Richards is one of their best players. I have seen nothing to state otherwise. His numbers suck because he isn't getting played. They made the comparison to Hall at the worlds. The third highest goal scorer on the team and they never started him on the power play. People later said he wasn't producing so he didn't deserve to be on the power play but it is a self full filling proffecy. You don't play a guy, then he doesn't produce, so you play him less and you get in his head. Tortorello is done after this.

It would be like us going into the playoffs and not then moving Hall from line one to 3 just to bench him later for not producing on line 3 when the team starts losing.
- bsteinley

He is getting the 2nd most PP time on the team. Started with 22min, 20, 18, then 14. Scored in that 14 minute game and back up to 18. He had his chances. In the playoffs your top players have to be the best if you aren't you start losing ice-time to better players. Fact is they played him less and beat WSH.

I doubt he's injured, well everyone is injured but if it was a major injury you don't tell everyone he is a healthy scratch.


http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&season=20122013&view=log

See above.

As I mentioned yesterday what we think is consensus and what actually happens is night and day at times.
- Lahey

I actually don't see anything happening in the first round,as far as monkeying around with trading up or down. Whatever happens, I just hope we don't draft with the thoughts of solving a 2013-14 problem with another.(frank)ing.18 year old.

Those guys have more in common than short staures though. Terrible attitudes and work ethic.
- Jeropotato

They weren't always like that though.

I actually don't see anything happening in the first round,as far as monkeying around with trading up or down. Whatever happens, I just hope we don't draft with the thoughts of solving a 2013-14 problem with another.(frank)ing.18 year old.
- Jeropotato

The thing I see as a whole is a couple picks being dealt in NHL trades not draft trades.

Late in the 1st could see some monkeying from a team looking to snag a guy that they have at 15th and is still there at 25th.

Flame fans are not intelligent enough to delete postings
- MacT001

Considering you're posting this on a Cloutier thread, that is a retarded comment. Some of the material that gets written here is the worst dialogue on all of HB. That, is so very not good. 14 pages get written but only 3 pages are worthy of being read.

This has actually been on eof the better threads in a Clouts blog.

It's not a rip off at all. Trade Hemsky, our 1st round and our 3rd round to Columbus for their 14th and 19th overall. I'm sure they'll take that. Then trade our two second rounds to a team who's finishing anywhere from 25th to 30th place for their first round and take an early grab at Shea Theodore or William Carrier. Because they won't be around when we pick 37th overall in the second round.

This is really the only way the Oilers are going to make the best out of this draft.
- mbxiphos1527

I will say this, with a new GM in CBJ who the (frank) knows what he does. He could end up trading 14 and 19 for some actual talent with a future.

I still wouldn't be shocked to see him make a play for the sisters either.

He is getting the 2nd most PP time on the team. Started with 22min, 20, 18, then 14. Scored in that 14 minute game and back up to 18. He had his chances. In the playoffs your top players have to be the best if you aren't you start losing ice-time to better players. Fact is they played him less and beat WSH.

I doubt he's injured, well everyone is injured but if it was a major injury you don't tell everyone he is a healthy scratch.


http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&season=20122013&view=log
- Lahey

I wonder how this buyout thing is going to go after the finals? It's something like 2 days after the cup win and ends the day before the drat,I think.Anyway, there is a poop load of big money/long term contracts out there that look really ,really bad now, and a bunch more that are at least,in hindsight,questionable.

Ville Lieno,
Erhoff, Hossa, Umberger,Wisniewski, Bryz,Lecavalier,Richards,Luongo,Edler, Garrison,Zajac,Volchenkov,Gaustad,Borque,Z Michalek,Briere,Lupol,DiPietro....

Some of these the ink is still fresh,others the player is still kinda young...but some of these,you have to think, are going to get bought out. I know mostly it will be no name guys,plumbers etc but man,there could be some serious names out there.

I'm not going offer up who I think will bought out or won't, I have no idea what any GM is actually thinking, I'll leave it up to you "know it all's" and your perception (which,on these boards,is usually innacurate) as to whom is going or staying.

What do you think the odds of Nash, Car or Cal trading their pick at all?

Do you think any of them are looking to trade down? If so then our third round would probably be enough to move a spot or two, maybe 3. Likely if Nashville is moving it is for a dman or they like someone that no one else has on their list (probably not going to happen but in the scenario that they are willing to trade down then a third round would do it).


- bsteinley

Little, little, no chance unless to move up.

A 3rd won't be enough. Last year CGY traded the 14th pick down and got the 42 pick as compensation. That is the minumum it would take to move within or into the top 10.

[quote=Lahey]

I think that if Gillis was ofered a good package of high picks/prospects he would be all over it as well. Be kinda stupid not to, if they are serious about rebuilding a championship team.

I think that if Gillis was ofered a good package of high picks/prospects he would be all over it as well. Be kinda stupid not to, if they are serious about rebuilding a championship team.
- Jeropotato

Do they have NTC or NMC? That's where I see the problem. Although they might just want out like Gaborik did with the Rags.

I wonder how this buyout thing is going to go after the finals? It's something like 2 days after the cup win and ends the day before the drat,I think.Anyway, there is a poop load of big money/long term contracts out there that look really ,really bad now, and a bunch more that are at least,in hindsight,questionable.

Ville Lieno,
Erhoff, Hossa, Umberger,Wisniewski, Bryz,Lecavalier,Richards,Luongo,Edler, Garrison,Zajac,Volchenkov,Gaustad,Borque,Z Michalek,Briere,Lupol,DiPietro....

Some of these the ink is still fresh,others the player is still kinda young...but some of these,you have to think, are going to get bought out. I know mostly it will be no name guys,plumbers etc but man,there could be some serious names out there.

I'm not going offer up who I think will bought out or won't, I have no idea what any GM is actually thinking, I'll leave it up to you "know it all's" and your perception (which,on these boards,is usually innacurate) as to whom is going or staying.
- Jeropotato

I thought it was June 15th-30th. Although I have no idea when the draft is or when the playoffs are done.

That list you posted is why I don't see Hemsky getting anything in trade.

I think that if Gillis was ofered a good package of high picks/prospects he would be all over it as well. Be kinda stupid not to, if they are serious about rebuilding a championship team.
- Jeropotato

No no no. That's not how it works. 1st you make the cup finals but don't win. Then you try to get back there by trading futures for "solid vets." Then you make stupid offer sheets to turn the hockey world against you. Then you take one or two more cracks at it stating that you have the players that can get it done. Then, and only then, you dump your stars when they have nothing left and bring in crappy returns and declare your "retooling on the fly" (CGY) or "our plan is to suck for 3-5 years and build properly."

Geez, I thought you would have known this by now.

I thought it was June 15th-30th. Although I have no idea when the draft is or when the playoffs are done.

That list you posted is why I don't see Hemsky getting anything in trade.
- Lahey

I think he's right. I heard that the buy out period was to begin 48hrs. after the Cup was handed out and could last up to the draft (that part was unclear but I think it would depend on the date the PO ended).

Hemsky, 7th Overall, Conditional pick, Gernat for Yandle and a 3rd

Sign Stephen Weiss and Ryan Clowe

Resign Jones, Fistric and Gagner

Hall-Weiss-Yakupov
Clowe-RNH-Eberle
Paajarvi-Horcoff-Jones
Smyth-Lander-Brown

Yandle-Smid
Schultz x2
Fistric-Petry

That's a ton of size, speed, and skill on each line/pairing

Lets have this be the first summer in awhile where were NOT discussing where who the 1st rounder should be playing with. If they end up with Monahan or Shinkaruk (whoever), fine. I personally don't think any of the D are ready besides Jones.
- mochoson

u left out gagner, and we dont need weiss at all.
everything else aint bad.

What do you think the asking price for Kris Letang would be ? He had an unreal game last night.
- mbxiphos1527

our left nut.
he's one of the best dmen in the world and a lock for team canada. no chance they move him

Pretty sure that's not correct.
- Lahey

Pretty sure you are wrong. So now where are we?

[quote=Lahey]
True enough. I still think we should try to make that deal with him. I feel that he'd be interested with the offer.

there was plenty of chatter,I remember,in last years playoff's about how his minutes were reduced due to mediocre defensive play in favor of Eckman-Larsson. He is amazing offensively, but there are questions about his defensive reliability. Having said that, he would still be the best player on a Oilers defense, but I don't really want that type of guy. Justin Schultz is a similar, strong in one dimension type player.One is enough.Need a better 2-way guy in our top 4.
- Jeropotato

You should watch him play a few more times because equating his d-play to Schultz's is a stretch.