Maybe you heard, Milbury stepped down a few years ago.! And yes, Strome can be close to JT as he is actually more naturally talented. JT has elite instincts with excellent skills, Strome has elite skills eith excellent instincts Both will be all stars for years to come. And yes Strome is NHL ready
We spent over a decade watching Milbuy make bad pick after bad pick... He's gone. - keaner17
Fair enough. Use the Milbury excuse. Those "prospects" don't count.
How many of the 6 since 2006 made the jump successfully. De Hann was 11 or 12 pick so he can almost count as well.
1 - JT. And Strome is NOT JT.
You do understand that Bobby Ryan didn't make the jump until 3 years after he was drafted. Right? Toews waited a year. Backstrom waited 3 as well I believe. Maybe 2.
Strome cannot be compared to any of these players as of right now.
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Apr 29 @ 11:31 PM ET
Yes, I know. - kencan98
Ken, just want you to know I'm going to take a poop, and then go to sleep. I don't want you to think I abandoned you. I think you're an okay guy. Not particularly funny, you're more the "beating a dead horse" variety (not my style), but, we need to work on some variety here.
I know you like to be right and my self esteem is so low, I'll be here for you Ken.
Lol... Nice contradiction. Read your first sentence then the last..... You may as well debate yourself - keaner17
Yes, I'm talking about the roster not the AHL team. You mentioned trading a current player on our NHL roster and I said that I never said anyone should be traded.
Unlike some Islander fans and their management, I actually think about the NHL team, not "Filling The Cupboard".
And Bailey is almost 24. Not 22. Even in Islander Land, that's not a "prospect".
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Apr 29 @ 11:38 PM ET
Fair enough. Use the Milbury excuse. Those "prospects" don't count.
How many of the 6 since 2006 made the jump successfully. De Hann was 11 or 12 pick so he can almost count as well.
1 - JT. And Strome is NOT JT. - kencan98
How many have we tried to throw in? What you don't get is that Strome is the most talented kid this team has drafted in well over a decade. JT is a workaholic. He does what he does by working harder than anyone. He is what he is because he processes the game like only a few in the world can. Stromeis on his way to being the second best player on this team.
So yep, blame Milbury. If we are going to talk about players making the jump, it should be league wide.
Okposo was not picked by Snow. We start with Bailey and work up to today. Only three of our picks have completed their junior careers going into this season. I'd say Bailey appears to be coming around. JT is a beast. Nino will be here next year. So will Strome.
How many have we tried to throw in? What you don't get is that Strome is the most talented kid this team has drafted in well over a decade. JT is a workaholic. He does what he does by working harder than anyone. He is what he is because he processes the game like only a few in the world can. Stromeis on his way to being the second best player on this team.
So yep, blame Milbury. If we are going to talk about players making the jump, it should be league wide.
Okposo was not picked by Snow. We start with Bailey and work up to today. Only three of our picks have completed their junior careers going into this season. I'd say Bailey appears to be coming around. JT is a beast. Nino will be here next year. So will Strome. - keaner17
Bailey successfully made the jump from Draft to NHL?
I gave you examples from the league. You want more?
From 2002 to 2006 the Penguins had 5 top 5 picks. They all made pretty much made the jump right to the NHL. Malkin had a transfer dispute but he would have played if he could.
Since 2006, ZERO have made the jump.
Why is that? Bad teams throw their picks right into the league. Good teams develop. When you suck you have no choice. When you are good you do.
I don't think we are a team that is bad enough to draft and play anymore.
"Strome is the best talent we've seen in a decade". First of all that's not saying much. Besides JT, we haven't seen any talent at all in the last decade. The last player we drafted in the first round that actually had an impact on the Islanders was in 1983.
Second of all, we heard the same exact thing about every other player SNOW has drafted (because remember we are only talking about Snow. History only repeats itself if Snow is at the helm).
Boyes, rushing prospects, typical Islanders fans etc.... You win the award for most ironic or hypocritical post of the year - keaner17
Can you not address anything I wrote?
Maybe because I'm right?
And I could probably be in the running for the most HONEST poster of the year if there was such an award.
When someone types something, I come back with facts. When I prove them wrong, they come back with "LOL" and "Thumbs Up" faces. That kind of proves my point.
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Apr 29 @ 11:53 PM ET
Yes, I'm talking about the roster not the AHL team. You mentioned trading a current player on our NHL roster and I said that I never said anyone should be traded.
Unlike some Islander fans and their management, I actually think about the NHL team, not "Filling The Cupboard".
And Bailey is almost 24. Not 22. Even in Islander Land, that's not a "prospect". - kencan98
I didnt mention trading anyone off our roster... You said Nino was done after one fractional season.
I didnt mention trading anyone off our roster... You said Nino was done after one fractional season. - keaner17
Did you not write something to the effect of "you think we should trade everyone away who can't light the lamp at the age of 22"?
Yes, you did.
And Nino is done after 64 games, not being invited to camp, a trade request, and not being called up for post season. Yes, he's done.
And since you cant address this point (because I'm right), you can even look back at this teams history and see that good teams let prospects develop. Bad teams force them to make the jump.
Nino is a whiner... and needs to grow up!!! - jimmc7722
Yes, somewhere else. If he can't be around for the playoffs because some say he's a locker room issue, he's not a fit for our top line next season. Especially after his production in the NHL, the trade request and not being invited to camp.
He's about as gone as Tebow was in January. Just a matter of time.
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Apr 30 @ 12:03 AM ET
Yes, somewhere else. If he can't be around for the playoffs because some say he's a locker room issue, he's not a fit for our top line next season. Especially after his production in the NHL, the trade request and not being invited to camp.
He's about as gone as Tebow was in January. - kencan98
There's no room for him on the left side.
Trade him with our #1 this year for something decent!!!
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Apr 30 @ 12:06 AM ET
Fair enough. Use the Milbury excuse. Those "prospects" don't count.
How many of the 6 since 2006 made the jump successfully. De Hann was 11 or 12 pick so he can almost count as well.
1 - JT. And Strome is NOT JT.
You do understand that Bobby Ryan didn't make the jump until 3 years after he was drafted. Right? Toews waited a year. Backstrom waited 3 as well I believe. Maybe 2.Strome cannot be compared to any of these players as of right now. - kencan98
LOL..you're mentioning three specific players? And how about the laundry list of players who did go directly to the NHL? There's plenty of them out there. Your logic is more than week!
LOL..you're mentioning three specific players? And how about the laundry list of players who did go directly to the NHL? There's plenty of them out there. Your logic is more than week! - keaner17
My logic is not WEAK at all. Good teams don't do that. Bad teams do because they have no choice.
I gave you two entire organizations to look at. The recent Pens and the Cup Isles.
I know LaFontaine is no Ryan Strome but LaFontaine didn't make the jump. Why? Because in 83 the Isles were a GREAT team.
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Apr 30 @ 12:16 AM ET
Did you not write something to the effect of "you think we should trade everyone away who can't light the lamp at the age of 22"?Yes, you did.
And Nino is done after 64 games, not being invited to camp, a trade request, and not being called up for post season. Yes, he's done.
And since you cant address this point (because I'm right), you can even look back at this teams history and see that good teams let prospects develop. Bad teams force them to make the jump. - kencan98
Yes...as in YOU, because of your comments regarding Nino. You're so ungodly stupid in your logic it's become cumbersome waiting for you to see the light (which will never happen.)....Your failed logic says that bad teams force players to make the jump, but it's typically BAD teams that pick in the top 5, so they're the only ones getting primo players ready to make the jump that early. So you FAIL there. Tyler Seguin, and Dougie Hamilton both play for a top notch team and skipped the AHL. Taylor Hall, Jeff Skinner, Matt Duchene, Adam Larson, Coutier (only half a season in AHL), Jonathan Huberdeau...there are litteraly dozens and dozens of players over the last few years alone who went directly to the NHL after finishing their junior career. For top 5 picks, its rare they spend ANY time in the AHL. So you're WRONG.
Your insistance to lump in the Milbury years with Garth's tenure is what makes your argument really fall to pieces.
Some day you should actually watch Strome. Seeing him in action will leave little doubt that he's ready for the next level and could have done it possibly last year.[url]
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Apr 30 @ 12:21 AM ET
My logic is not WEAK at all. Good teams don't do that. Bad teams do because they have no choice.
I gave you two entire organizations to look at. The recent Pens and the Cup Isles.
I know LaFontaine is no Ryan Strome but LaFontaine didn't make the jump. Why? Because in 83 the Isles were a GREAT team. - kencan98
WRONG AGAIN...Lafontaine came directly to the Isles from the US National team. Prior to that he played in the Quebec league...
I showed you that Boston did do that. Last years champs did it with Kopitar.
As I said, top five picks more often than not go directly to the NHL from juniors and never see the AHL. They don't need to because they're typically much better than the later round picks your so-called good teams are grabbing.
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Apr 30 @ 12:24 AM ET
Nino is a whiner... and needs to grow up!!! - jimmc7722
Nino's agent made the noise...Nino has said nothing since. He spent the rest of the season in the A without so much as a peep. He's a kid, he'll get it together.
Yes...as in YOU, because of your comments regarding Nino. You so ungodly stupid in your logic it's become cumbersome waiting for you to see the light (which will never happen.) - keaner17
You were talking about Bailey. Go read your own post. Here it is...
Bailey is what, 22? So your angle is that we should trade every player who can't light the scoreboard up by 23, Milbury?
Yep, I do know. Or at least I clearly have a better idea than you. You're the idiot saying Nino is done because of 55 games with Marty Reasoner for four minutes per night at 19 years old
Or that NHL goalies hit their prime at 23.. - keaner17
....Your failed logic says that bad teams force players to make the jump, but it's typically BAD teams that pick in the top 5, so they're the only ones getting primo players ready to make the jump that early. So you FAIL there. - keaner17
You are right. And most of the time those teams don't pick in the top 5 for long. We have had 6 top 10 picks since 2006. We barely made the playoffs. That's unacceptable.
Tyler Seguin, and Dougie Hamilton both play for a top notch team and skipped the AHL. Taylor Hall, Jeff Skinner, Matt Duchene, Adam Larson, Coutier (only half a season in AHL), Jonathan Huberdeau...there are litteraly dozens and dozens of players over the last few years alone who went directly to the NHL after finishing their junior career. For top 5 picks, its rare they spend ANY time in the AHL. So you're WRONG. - keaner17
The Avs, Flyers (assuming you are referring to Sean Couturier), Panthers, Oilers and the Devils. All NON PLAYOFF TEAMS. You want to keep going? If you google hard enough you'll find at least one who will support your point. Here's a hint. Think Black and Hawks. The City where the President comes from (no not the Islands in the pacific..don't want to throw you off). The first letter of the first name is P and the first of the last is K. Think, google, think some more, google a little more, then you'll find ONE that supports your claim.
I'm also happy that you brought up the 2010 draft. That's when we pulled an Islander move (again) and used our fourth pick to draft someone no one has ever heard of before. I mean, I don't know, call me crazy but maybe we pick the fifth ranked player with our fifth pick? I know Cam Fowler is no Strome but he might crack the line up.
Your insistance to lump in the Milbury years with Garth's tenure is what makes your argument really fall to pieces.
Some day you should actually watch Strome. Seeing him in action will leave little doubt that he's ready for the next level and could have done it possibly last year. - keaner17
And your insistence that it's any different makes yours fall into pieces. Teams that draft and play SUCK and they are forced into doing it. Teams that are good don't need to draft and play. They draft, develop, then play. Our mistake, Milburry, Snow, or the 2 weeks of Smith is that we consistently draft people that only the Islanders would draft then we are told they are the next coming of Gretzky then they end up sucking. It happens EVERY year besides the JT draft and I honestly think that if the Islanders screwed that one up there wouldn't be any fans left.
WRONG AGAIN...Lafontaine came directly to the Isles from the US National team. Prior to that he played in the Quebec league...
I showed you that Boston did do that. Last years champs did it with Kopitar.
As I said, top five picks more often than not go directly to the NHL from juniors and never see the AHL. They don't need to because they're typically much better than the later round picks your so-called good teams are grabbing. - keaner17
NO he didn't. He didn't play a full season with the Isles until 84/85 season.
He was drafted in 83 and played something like 10 games in that year. He never won a cup with the Islanders. He played in the 84 playoffs and lost to the Oilers.
84/85 was his first full season.
He actually never won a cup at all with the Islanders or the Sabres.
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Apr 30 @ 12:52 AM ET
NO he didn't. He didn't play a full season with the Isles until 84/85 season.
He was drafted in 83 and played something like 10 games in that year. He never won a cup with the Islanders. He played in the 84 playoffs and lost to the Oilers.
84/85 was his first full season.
He actually never won a cup at all with the Islanders or the Sabres. - kencan98
Lafontaine spent NO time in the AHL meaning he made the jump directly to the NHL so you are WRONG. I'm going to bed but will gladly shred the rest of your insane ramblings, like how you left Boston out again, tomorrow
