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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 28 @ 1:59 PM ET
Thats why I would rather make a play for JayBo, I know he was just acquired, but St. Louis is going to have to break the bank for Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk won't come cheap either, and both of those guys are going to be a higher priority to them than JayBo who will cost them nearly 7 million next year.

I would offer this years 2nd, next years 1st, and Cousins and hope they would take Mez just to offset the cap $$ a little. If not, I would trade Mez for the best available offer. A D of:
JayBo-Schenn
Kimmo-Coburn
Grossmann-Gus
would work for me.

- BiggE

Not a bad idea at all.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 28 @ 1:59 PM ET
The core of this team has all the makings of a SC winning team, but they're young and they have to go through some ups and downs.

For a second there, I thought Laviolette lost the team this year. But they looked really good down the stretch with basically an AHL defensive core. I think the players trust Lavy, and like him a lot. Scott Hartnell's play since Lavy's arrival just proves that.

- KGBflyers10


The Flyers did a nice job considering all the injuries. The defense was much better than expected down the stretch. The kids gained some valuable experience and hopefully we have some depth incase of injuries next year. Seems like they found a style that fits them at the end of the season.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:05 PM ET
Hey I'd take Tim Thomas so long as he keeps politics out of the locker room
- JoeRussomanno

even though i agree w/ many of his concerns, they had zero place on the nhl stage. i would take him if it meant that the dog and pony show w/ bryz ended. not entirely bryz's fault, but like bob once said, he gets paid to stop the puck.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:05 PM ET
Thats ridiculous! We lost on Parise/Suter cause they wanted to go home and we lost on Weber cause Nashville matched.
Hartnell and Timonen just came off 6 year deals and were re-signed and Briere just finished year 6 of an 8 year deal; by your logic all 3 would have been traded in 2008!

There are enough legitmate reasons to criticize Homer: failure to have a backup goalie in place or anyone other than Giroux that can win a faceoff at the start of the season to name a few. No need to create reasons that don't exist. The Carter, Richards and JVR trades were hockey deals, they werent moved just to get rid of them.

- BiggE

Um no... Carter and Richie and JVR were supposed to be our future. They sign long term deals and get run out of town. Then you use Briere as an example and he is about to be bought out. If he didn't have that NTC, he probably wouldn't have made it this long. And now they can buy him out. Buh bye Danny boy. And JVR was "injured" at the trade deadline with a mysterious concussion. Didn't take Homer long to ship him out for the same player that we were looking for at the trade deadline.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:06 PM ET
even though i agree w/ many of his concerns, they had zero place on the nhl stage. i would take him if it meant that the dog and pony show w/ bryz ended. not entirely bryz's fault, but like bob once said, he gets paid to stop the puck.
- isaiah520


Mason looks good. Hopefully he gets even better. He's at the perfect age to grow with this club.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:06 PM ET
The Flyers did a nice job considering all the injuries. The defense was much better than expected down the stretch. The kids gained some valuable experience and hopefully we have some depth incase of injuries next year. Seems like they found a style that fits them at the end of the season.
- stveshdy

just wished they didn't pull it out last nite. hope we still get a solid plyr in the draft.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:07 PM ET
Mason looks good. Hopefully he gets even better. He's at the perfect age to grow with this club.
- stveshdy

and having him split time w/ someone is not a bad plan.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 28 @ 2:09 PM ET
and having him split time w/ someone is not a bad plan.
- isaiah520


Briere will be gone.

Bryz is could go either way. He may get one more season to showcase himself.

I love the way Mason plays in net.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:10 PM ET
Not buying it. The reason we lost out on these marquee players is because every long term contract Homer signs gets traded the next year. Carter, Richards, JVR. Who is next...Giroux? People don't trust him and that's why we lost out on those deals.
- section32

No, they lost out because Suter and Parise wanted to go home and play in Minny.....simple as that
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
No, they lost out because Suter and Parise wanted to go home and play in Minny.....simple as that
- KINGKENZO


I will point out that everyone and their mother seemed to know this. And it seemed the Flyers were forced to sit around and wait while other options went off the board one by one.

None of the options were in the Suter/Parise/Weber category of course. But I personally think Homer tied his own hands on a pipe dream when it came to the Minny boys.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
Mr. Stupidity Hartnell comes into play there.

Not in a straight up deal, I think the Flyers could get a little more coming back.

- flyer_nutter


Trade hartnell and you'll just open up another hole in the lineup. That's not an easy hole to fill. I think hes more important to the team than a grossman or coburn
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:16 PM ET
Briere will be gone.

Bryz is could go either way. He may get one more season to showcase himself.

I love the way Mason plays in net.

- stveshdy


It would be nice to have Stolarz develop into something as well. Saw a few people raving about his play, but havent had the time to watch at all. He is a big guy, so I would be curious if his good stats are solely because of his positional play, or there are some acrobatics in there as well.

KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:17 PM ET
And JVR was "injured" at the trade deadline with a mysterious concussion

Lost all credibility
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:18 PM ET
Briere will be gone.

Bryz is could go either way. He may get one more season to showcase himself.

I love the way Mason plays in net.

- stveshdy

what concerns me is that this may be the best season to buy out bryz simply because the mkt for goalies will favorable for buyers. i see amnesty for him being inevitable for so many reasons.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:18 PM ET
I will point out that everyone and their mother seemed to know this. And it seemed the Flyers were forced to sit around and wait while other options went off the board one by one.

None of the options were in the Suter/Parise/Weber category of course. But I personally think Homer tied his own hands on a pipe dream when it came to the Minny boys.

- MBFlyerfan

Be that as it may, them not signing here had zero to do with them fearing being traded downd the line. To me, that's asinine
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:19 PM ET
And JVR was "injured" at the trade deadline with a mysterious concussion

Lost all credibility

- KINGKENZO

It's clear that Homer has such a problem with trading young guys that he has to injure them himself to stop his urge from trading everybody.

Go to Homer's office, leave with a concussion.

Trust no one.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:20 PM ET
Söberg: Think former Flyers prospect Mario Kempe. Blazing speed, undersized. Good on breakaways but can't seem to finish regularly. Two-way upside but more on the PK side of things.

Cehlarik: Slovak with good size and hands. Iffy skating, D needs work,

Högberg: Athletic but very raw junior goalie. Did get into a few Elitserien games this year but needs more time.

Press: Converted forward with good athleticism. Still learning position.

Hansson: Sleeper with potential as a puck-mover. Has been a very good 2-way in J20.

- bmeltzer


Thanks I have more but I'll ask about them later.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 28 @ 2:20 PM ET
Be that as it may, them not signing here had zero to do with them fearing being traded downd the line. To me, that's asinine
- KINGKENZO


Oh I agree with that.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Apr 28 @ 2:24 PM ET
No, they lost out because Suter and Parise wanted to go home and play in Minny.....simple as that
- KINGKENZO

Look...we can afford more than most. We could have overpaid and got one of these guys. It's nice to say "I want to play in my hometown" but they got full FMv. There was no discount here. And Homer could have overpaid and gotten one. But it wasn't like they gave a home town discount.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:25 PM ET
It's clear that Homer has such a problem with trading young guys that he has to injure them himself to stop his urge from trading everybody.

Go to Homer's office, leave with a concussion.Trust no one.

- feelingkettle


Better than leaving with hemorrhoids.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:29 PM ET
Look...we can afford more than most. We could have overpaid and got one of these guys. It's nice to say "I want to play in my hometown" but they got full FMv. There was no discount here. And Homer could have overpaid and gotten one. But it wasn't like they gave a home town discount.
- section32

He offered each the highest annual dollar amount of any offer they received
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 28 @ 2:30 PM ET
Not buying it. The reason we lost out on these marquee players is because every long term contract Homer signs gets traded the next year. Carter, Richards, JVR. Who is next...Giroux? People don't trust him and that's why we lost out on those deals.
- section32


what about the long terms that we're now stuck with? Briere, Pronger, Bryz. I think he just flat out signs too many long terms, or atleast he signs them with the wrong players.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Apr 28 @ 2:31 PM ET
Bryz dropping bombs...


John Gonzalez
@gonzoCSN
Bryz to media: "What have you done for the city? Ask yourself that question. Besides to only criticize. Not much."
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:31 PM ET
what about the long terms that we're now stuck with? Briere, Pronger, Bryz. I think he just flat out signs too many long terms, or atleast he signs them with the wrong players.
- JAKEw1234

Player evaluation I would say is one aspect that could improve.

The organization seems to get really high on players when they have good years, or hot streaks, but ignore the opposite.

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 28 @ 2:32 PM ET
Bryz dropping bombs...


John Gonzalez
@gonzoCSN
Bryz to media: "What have you done for the city? Ask yourself that question. Besides to only criticize. Not much."

- opeth_pa


Unleash the Soyuz.
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