here we go
- Marc D

DALE

i have not missed coburn, mezzy at all,i hope they trade them because i think we can do better then them with some of our younger guys
- mydoglicks

No. You just missed the playoffs. Didn't miss them at all.

No. You just missed the playoffs. Didn't miss them at all.
- strongsupporter

Also, it is interesting. All the defensemen people have been pushing to bring them here.
Weber - missed the playoffs.
Campbell - missed the playoffs
Yandle - missed the playoffs
Bogosian - missed the playoffs
Suter - may miss the playoffs
etc
Wait until our guys get back and have a healthy team.

Also, it is interesting. All the defensemen people have been pushing to bring them here.
Weber - missed the playoffs.
Campbell - missed the playoffs
Yandle - missed the playoffs
Bogosian - missed the playoffs
Suter - may miss the playoffs
etc
Wait until our guys get back and have a healthy team.
- strongsupporter

Aside from Suter all those teams have pretty abysmal forward lines...

Aside from Suter all those teams have pretty abysmal forward lines...
- hereticpride

Along with being pretty big hockey poopholes with Winnipeg leading the way

(yes, yes I know some of those are good markets)

As much as I like Pulock, and the offensive skills would really benefit this team for years I do question one thing.

I forget where but I saw something about him not being able to handle the physical game too well. That would be a concern.

I see a few of us are proposing the idea that they let Boucher have one last game. Personally, I think thats a great idea, and would love to see him in there one last time. One last stand.

What's the knock on Pulock?
- Just5

Lack of physicality on the back-end is the big knock I believe. He played forward for most of his playing career I think as well, not that it means anything specific.
- Girouxfortheshow

As much as I like Pulock, and the offensive skills would really benefit this team for years I do question one thing.
I forget where but I saw something about him not being able to handle the physical game too well. That would be a concern.
- flyer_nutter

Is that an echo?

I don't see anywhere in this article where it tells the values of players relative to the value of the draft picks. Am I just missing something here?
- JAKEw1234

Somebody at the tail end of the last thread was advocating trading Coburn to EDM to switch picks with them, and EDM is only 1 pick in front of us. According to the chart, the difference between the trade value of the 7th and 8th pick is about 2.5, which amounts to the 70th pick in the draft, which would be mid 3rd-round.

So my point was, unless you think Coburn's only worth the 70th overall pick, it would probably be a pretty bad trade to make.

I see a few of us are proposing the idea that they let Boucher have one last game. Personally, I think thats a great idea, and would love to see him in there one last time. One last stand.


- flyer_nutter

Mason is starting

Is that an echo?
- GirouxForTheShow

Nahhh I saw it somewhere else, but it wasn't about his physicality it was his inability to handle it at times. Which would be a concern if he hasnt even made it to the big boys of the NHL.

The one thing I cant seem to find about any of these guys, Nurse, Pulock and Ristolainen is how they are in terms of effort on a nightly basis.

That to me, would be the make or break, on who the Flyers should take.

As much as I like Pulock, and the offensive skills would really benefit this team for years I do question one thing.

I forget where but I saw something about him not being able to handle the physical game too well. That would be a concern.
- flyer_nutter

He's been a bit more physical this year. But ai think if he builds up his upper body strength some more he'll be fine in the nhl.

Somebody at the tail end of the last thread was advocating trading Coburn to EDM to switch picks with them, and EDM is only 1 pick in front of us. According to the chart, the difference between the trade value of the 7th and 8th pick is about 2.5, which amounts to the 70th pick in the draft, which would be mid 3rd-round.

So my point was, unless you think Coburn's only worth the 70th overall pick, it would probably be a pretty bad trade to make.
- Tomahawk

If I were trading Coburn I would want a top 12 pick in return. And I would also need to see a good kid slide down(ala Coots) that we could nab with the pick.

Nahhh I saw it somewhere else, but it wasn't about his physicality it was his inability to handle it at times. Which would be a concern if he hasnt even made it to the big boys of the NHL.

The one thing I cant seem to find about any of these guys, Nurse, Pulock and Ristolainen is how they are in terms of effort on a nightly basis.

That to me, would be the make or break, on who the Flyers should take.
- flyer_nutter

I was basing the assumption you fight physicality with physicality. And that's also something that goes unnoticed in the draft process a lot, especially from a fan's point of view. Just the overall personality on a player, his drive, his intelligence, work ethic. Some of those things are visible and measurable on the ice, but a lot of it would come off the ice, in interviews and work outs. And only the management team has the privilege of speaking to the draftees.

EDIT: With Pulock, the W is probably most comparable to the grinds of the NHL out of all the Junior leagues. Although that doesn't mean it will translate directly.

Somebody at the tail end of the last thread was advocating trading Coburn to EDM to switch picks with them, and EDM is only 1 pick in front of us. According to the chart, the difference between the trade value of the 7th and 8th pick is about 2.5, which amounts to the 70th pick in the draft, which would be mid 3rd-round.

So my point was, unless you think Coburn's only worth the 70th overall pick, it would probably be a pretty bad trade to make.
- Tomahawk

Oh I see, wel obviously he isn't, but instead of moving up in the draft, we could move down with columbus, and take the 18th and 24th for the 10th, which would put us 3 points ahead, so we might throw a 3rd round in. I like this idea, because then we still have coburn and mez to deal to other teams for one of many good offensive dmen.

Oh I see, wel obviously he isn't, but instead of moving up in the draft, we could move down with columbus, and take the 18th and 24th for the 10th, which would put us 3 points ahead, so we might throw a 3rd round in. I like this idea, because then we still have coburn and mez to deal to other teams for one of many good offensive dmen.
- JAKEw1234

We really need one of the top 4 D men in this draft. I would hate to see us move down. The top 12 or so of this draft class is stacked.

If I were trading Coburn I would want a top 12 pick in return. And I would also need to see a good kid slide down(ala Coots) that we could nab with the pick.
- hereticpride

Not going to argue here or anything, but if the Flyers could get a 2nd round pick for Coburn that would be a pretty good deal imo.

I dont value him as highly as others. I dont think another team touches Meszaros with a 10 foot pole. He might as well have syphillis.

Yes, I would do that in a second.
- Marc D

I'd hold out for 14 and 18

I was basing the assumption you fight physicality with physicality. And that's also something that goes unnoticed in the draft process a lot, especially from a fan's point of view. Just the overall personality on a player, his drive, his intelligence, work ethic. Some of those things are visible and measurable on the ice, but a lot of it would come off the ice, in interviews and work outs. And only the management team has the privilege of speaking to the draftees.

EDIT: With Pulock, the W is probably most comparable to the grinds of the NHL out of all the Junior leagues. Although that doesn't mean it will translate directly.
- GirouxForTheShow

I actually wanted to take a drive out to Brandon to get a chance to see him this year, but OB told me his team would be out of it or something. I'll admit I havent seen too much of the guy at all.

Really do want the Flyers to focus on a guy for more than his "talent and potential". Bringing in the guy who may have a little bit less of that, but has more drive and consistent nightly effort is the way to go for me. Partly why out of all the forwards, I would be very happy with Max Domi.

Not going to argue here or anything, but if the Flyers could get a 2nd round pick for Coburn that would be a pretty good deal imo.

I dont value him as highly as others. I dont think another team touches Meszaros with a 10 foot pole. He might as well have syphillis.
- flyer_nutter

With the rumored asking price for every top 4 D man we've been after the last two years I would take nothing less than a mid 1st rounder for Coburn. I think you could do a lot better than a 2nd rounder.

That said, I think his departure is unlikely however much I agree with it or not.

I would as well. With Gostisbehere developing, and then a Pulock as well, that's two hard shots on the PP, something that is desperately lacking in my opinion. Pulock has a cannon from the point.
- GirouxForTheShow

Lauridsen has a good shot that he can actually get through traffic on net.

Lauridsen has a good shot that he can actually get through traffic on net.
- wolfhounds

My worry is his ability to control the puck. Sure, he can tee it up, but I don't see him being able to bring the rock through the neutral zone and get it deep and be able to set himself up and take the time to blast one. But yes, it was very refreshing to see him hammer one short side high. I was impressed. As a defensive defenseman, a hard shot is very helpful.

Still Pulock is on an entire different level, his slapshot is clocked at 100+mph and he gets it off quick.

Lauridsen has a good shot that he can actually get through traffic on net.
- wolfhounds

Thing is that it takes him a long time to uncoil. For that reason, he's never going to score more than 2-4 goals a year. A couple time a year, when the opposing team plays far off him and he can wind and fire, he'll overpower a goalie. But he's never been a blueline scorer at any level and won't be in the NHL either.

I already no the Flyers are going to draft a forward
- Winning

We don't know anything at this point.

how about you ob: columbus offers 18 and 24 for 8.... you pull the trigger?
- FlyerMike18

Not likely maybe if they offered all 3