he did this maybe a week ago to me in the oilers thread because i said the oilers are the best then he started bad mouthing kovy he finally is bringing his thoughts into our thread of a blog that didnt mention kovy once
- blizzzard

Its funny to me how much people want to trash talk Kovy. He has come along way since signing with the Devils. I have always liked Kovy and was on board with LA trying to get him. Now i'm happy we didn't because it allowed us to get many other pieces to our puzzle. The Devils clearly need him and hes a big part of the team going forward. His contract isn't all that bad considering there is no prospect in the system that can dethrone him anytime soon.

The other Avs fans make better arguments.

But yeah, the Quebec Nordiques were one of the teams (Nolan, Sundin, and Lindros, whom they used to loot the Flyers of Forsberg, money, Ricci, and a bunch of other players and assets) I remember that totally tanked a few years for some high draft picks. The Avalanche, I guess, are revisiting that strategy. Worked for Washington (Ovechkin, 1st, Backstrom, 5th), Pittsburgh (Crosby, Fleury 1st, Malkin Staal 2nd), Chicago (Kane 1st, Toews 5th).

They'll have Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin (1st-3rd), Landeskog (2nd), Duchene (3rd).

Colorado has 2 cups because of ubertanking in Quebec, and Chicago won a cup, and Pittsburgh won 3 because of ubertanking (Barasso and Lemieux both 1sts).

It's a working strategy.

NJ doesn't... that's why they have Larsson instead of Landeskog or Nugent-Hopkins. I like going for a team that doesn't tank on purpose... makes me feel more honourable.

Its a matter of opinion, but I'd take Kovy. I still don't think people appreciate his 2 way game enough. It keeps improving and he's one of the best at turning defense into offense from the defensive zone imo.
- rmdevil313

I do understand how far he has come. But its hard to pick one over the other. It would really depend on your teams need. If you have solid wingers and need a Center than you take Stastny. But you if you have Centers you take Kovy. Im just saying his 2way game still isnt better than Stastnys.

soo.. our high 2nd (40th overall?), + Josefson + Tallinder/Urbom for soon to be UFA Vanek?
- MartysBetter88

have to add way more then that ..

WTF is this??

- greekdude4567

This dude is nuts

Atlanta Thrashers, is that you whispering sweet nothings into my ear?

*giggles*

Do yourself a favor and think about what you just said. I mean really think about it.
- NorCalAvsFan

Are you compositing the New Jersey devils to the Atlanta thrashers?

Are you compositing the New Jersey devils to the Atlanta thrashers?
- shvingter88

I think he may of fallen asleep. He must of been sleep deprived.

Yes, it clearly has nothing to do with the fact that i'm on a Devils thread talking ish about 'em.. haha.

Yet, not a single one of you has given any real reasons as to why i'm wrong.

Kovy is a better 2 way player than Statsny? Ok. If you say so. Career numbers say otherwise. But I guess stats are stupid.

Parise left. You are now in rebuild. You lost a 1st round prospect who quit your QMJ team. Uhh..

Kovalchuk, Old man Elias, Zajac? Those are your top 3 players next season?

Haha.
- NorCalAvsFan

They have, you just continue to think you're right.

Judging Kovy's two way game is hard, because for a few years it was BAD. The first year he was in NJ was certainly frustrating when it came to turnovers. It's gotten superbly better, but to a lot of people he will always be seen as a defensive liability, sort of like how everyone's still convinced the Devils are a trap team.

I think he may of fallen asleep. He must of been sleep deprived.
- poisondhearts37

We've had some idiot trolls in here before, but nothing tops this person.

i like how he was saying they had good management but a bad coach if that was the case and management is so good why have they not fired this guy who is holding the team from making the playoffs

Obvious troll is obvious. You're points make no sense, Kovy took soooo much money that he ruined our team even though he makes less than tons of players who aren't as good? And why would we want to trade the best player on our team? The Devils aren't in rebuild mode...they were in the SCF finals last year, and yes we lost Parise, but we have a deep team, several players had down years this year, and honestly if it were a full season with still 40 games left, I'm confident they'd get in the top 8. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
- MannySilvers

Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect, because I think Kovalchuk is one of the Top 15-20 players in the NHL, but if the Devils could find a taker for Kovalchuk right now that would give them even a minimal return, they would do it. They would do it, because the last CBA, in a clear attempt to screw the teams who engaged in the backload retirement contracts, made Kovalchuk's contract one of the worst in the league, because there is a very high potential that the Devils will be carrying several years of dead cap space on that contract if they don't buy him out, which they won't.

The Rangers have the same problem with Richards, in that his recent play makes it almost impossible for them to take the chance of not buying him out, and having several years of a brutal cap hit that they can't purge. The Rangers have the money to pay a Richards buy-out, where do the same with Kovalchuk for the Devils would be a brutal hit for the organization.

I am just saying this, because the league not only screwed the Devils with the 1st round pick loss, but even worse with the new CBA rules on contracts like Kovalchuk's. At least there is nothing to worry about for the next 5-7 years for the Devils.

i like how he was saying they had good management but a bad coach if that was the case and management is so good why have they not fired this guy who is holding the team from making the playoffs
- blizzzard

Oh you didnt know? They are the greatest team with the best 2way players in the world. Our two almost NHL'er AHL right hand dman are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Bad coach is holding them back and our team. AVS are the CUP champs. No matter if we are in last place. Just a bad coach. Still the CHAMPS.


PS we robbed STL for EJ.

wwtttfffff is going on here??

Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect, because I think Kovalchuk is one of the Top 15-20 players in the NHL, but if the Devils could find a taker for Kovalchuk right now that would give them even a minimal return, they would do it. They would do it, because the last CBA, in a clear attempt to screw the teams who engaged in the backload retirement contracts, made Kovalchuk's contract one of the worst in the league, because there is a very high potential that the Devils will be carrying several years of dead cap space on that contract if they don't buy him out, which they won't.

The Rangers have the same problem with Richards, in that his recent play makes it almost impossible for them to take the chance of not buying him out, and having several years of a brutal cap hit that they can't purge. The Rangers have the money to pay a Richards buy-out, where do the same with Kovalchuk for the Devils would be a brutal hit for the organization.

I am just saying this, because the league not only screwed the Devils with the 1st round pick loss, but even worse with the new CBA rules on contracts like Kovalchuk's. At least there is nothing to worry about for the next 5-7 years for the Devils.
- Pete V

I'd rather not trade our best player

Oh you didnt know? They are the greatest team with the best 2way players in the world. Our two almost NHL'er AHL right hand dman are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Bad coach is holding them back and our team. AVS are the CUP champs. No matter if we are in last place. Just a bad coach. Still the CHAMPS.


PS we robbed STL for EJ.
- poisondhearts37

they made the playoffs a few years ago and are so good we made the final last year and suck you saw how horrible kovy was what a choke artist he only finished with second or third most points in the playoffs but he choked

I'd rather not trade our best player
- shvingter88

Are you concerned about the long-term implications of that contract?

Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect, because I think Kovalchuk is one of the Top 15-20 players in the NHL, but if the Devils could find a taker for Kovalchuk right now that would give them even a minimal return, they would do it. They would do it, because the last CBA, in a clear attempt to screw the teams who engaged in the backload retirement contracts, made Kovalchuk's contract one of the worst in the league, because there is a very high potential that the Devils will be carrying several years of dead cap space on that contract if they don't buy him out, which they won't.

The Rangers have the same problem with Richards, in that his recent play makes it almost impossible for them to take the chance of not buying him out, and having several years of a brutal cap hit that they can't purge. The Rangers have the money to pay a Richards buy-out, where do the same with Kovalchuk for the Devils would be a brutal hit for the organization.

I am just saying this, because the league not only screwed the Devils with the 1st round pick loss, but even worse with the new CBA rules on contracts like Kovalchuk's. At least there is nothing to worry about for the next 5-7 years for the Devils.
- Pete V

I honestly am still very annoyed at this. I get that Kovy's contract was ridiculous and bad for the game, but what about DiPietro, Luongo, Hossa, Weber, Parise, Suter, Kieth, Zetterberg. None of them get punished, we get fined all sorts of money and a first rounder. Not fair.

I'd rather not trade our best player
- shvingter88

i havr already traded clarky in my be a gm lol jk but he has regressed in my game from 81-79 but i only gotta pay him 2.27 not the 4.5 lou is going to have to fork out to keep him

I honestly am still very annoyed at this. I get that Kovy's contract was ridiculous and bad for the game, but what about DiPietro, Luongo, Hossa, Weber, Parise, Suter, Kieth, Zetterberg. None of them get punished, we get fined all sorts of money and a first rounder. Not fair.
- MannySilvers

they did it because they planned to rig the draft for us

I honestly am still very annoyed at this. I get that Kovy's contract was ridiculous and bad for the game, but what about DiPietro, Luongo, Hossa, Weber, Parise, Suter, Kieth, Zetterberg. None of them get punished, we get fined all sorts of money and a first rounder. Not fair.
- MannySilvers

I think you're right. Kovy's was the worst, but they should have just nullified it, made the Devs go back to the drawing board, and give them a warning and a slap on the wrist.

Honestly, and I mean this with no disrespect, because I think Kovalchuk is one of the Top 15-20 players in the NHL, but if the Devils could find a taker for Kovalchuk right now that would give them even a minimal return, they would do it. They would do it, because the last CBA, in a clear attempt to screw the teams who engaged in the backload retirement contracts, made Kovalchuk's contract one of the worst in the league, because there is a very high potential that the Devils will be carrying several years of dead cap space on that contract if they don't buy him out, which they won't.

The Rangers have the same problem with Richards, in that his recent play makes it almost impossible for them to take the chance of not buying him out, and having several years of a brutal cap hit that they can't purge. The Rangers have the money to pay a Richards buy-out, where do the same with Kovalchuk for the Devils would be a brutal hit for the organization.

I am just saying this, because the league not only screwed the Devils with the 1st round pick loss, but even worse with the new CBA rules on contracts like Kovalchuk's. At least there is nothing to worry about for the next 5-7 years for the Devils.
- Pete V

I think the logic is sound, but I don't think that the Devils would ever give up on Kovy. I don't think they are worried about the last few years of the contract. He's a monster physically (when was the last time a forward was averaging 25+mins?) and if he does retire, we would deal with it then. We can be much more prepared for the end of his career than trading him now, and having really nothing to build around.

I think you're right. Kovy's was the worst, but they should have just nullified it, made the Devs go back to the drawing board, and give them a warning and a slap on the wrist.
- Pete V

if only donald owned the devils he wouldnt have taken that lol

I honestly am still very annoyed at this. I get that Kovy's contract was ridiculous and bad for the game, but what about DiPietro, Luongo, Hossa, Weber, Parise, Suter, Kieth, Zetterberg. None of them get punished, we get fined all sorts of money and a first rounder. Not fair.
- MannySilvers

They no likey us!

I think the logic is sound, but I don't think that the Devils would ever give up on Kovy. I don't think they are worried about the last few years of the contract. He's a monster physically (when was the last time a forward was averaging 25+mins?) and if he does retire, we would deal with it then. We can be much more prepared for the end of his career than trading him now, and having really nothing to build around.
- rmdevil313

There is probably not even the choice for the Devils, because the buy-out would be astronomically high, and they probably couldn't find another team to take the contract. You just have to hope that Kovalchuk has good genes, and will play effectively into his late 30s - early 40s.