Hindsight is so friendly to PA...
When the guy was here, plenty of people female doged about him and his turnovers etc. There's no question he's miles ahead of Boyes, but he's a streaky player who has fed off playing top line minutes with both Tavares and now Duchene. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a good playmaker, patient with the puck, allows plays to develop and also is willing to get his nose a little dirty.

Still, there's no way I would have signed him for $16 million over 4 years. He's put up excellent numbers so far this year, but I'll wait to see what develops for him next year and beyond before saying he was worth the money.

As for calling Boyes our new PA. Get real. They are two totally different players, one a playmaker, another a sniper. Neither are excellent at what they do but both are sercviceable. That said, Boyes isn't even in PA's zip code when it comes to productivity. Our biggest flaw was not getting a return for PA and then not having a legitimate backup plan for his departure. Boyes is a failure and there are plenty of other one-dimensional offensive players waiting for their $1 million paydays that could probably put up as much or more than Brad.

Saying there's no better option (or he's the 'only option') than Boyes is beyond laughable.
- keaner17

Nicely said Keaner...

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Without question I want this team fighting for a playoff spot, But that not to say we wouldn't be with PAP.

BTW not a PAP lover.. We didnt trade him at the deadline so he should have been signed.. he wasn't signed and let walk, there will continue to be comparisons .. especially since it was said by many here that he was ONLY good because he was on JT's wing & would never "come close" to that type of production anywhere else. If we had Crosby on JT's wing and he was putting up 200pts id still be pointing out that PAP is putting up the numbers.


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i agree with that...pap should have been traded...but im hte first to admit im fickle about that because i said the same thing about nabby and now i cant get enough of the guy...im the first to admit that i wont judge a pap/nabby/streit situation till the answer smacks me in the face.

so ya, obviously since pap walked for nothing, it was a waste. but im not going to cry over spilled milk...we got another pap player in boyes...if he walks and we need another pap/boyes player, well get him...its easy for an NHL caliber player to produce on JTs line.

The Isles still would have taken Scissions even if they had the 5th pick If my memory serves me right it was Uwe Krupp who scored in OT for Buffalo to get the isles into the playoffs
- Vukota

Yep. Uwe Krupp. I remember that game like it was yesterday, blast from the point. Funny thing was, I'm pretty sure Buffalo had nothing to play for.

so youre saying youd throw away what we currently have, restart the season with pap instead of boyes and be confident wed be in a better position by the end of that "season" than where we are today???
- LetsGoIsles

I wouldn't throw away the season we have at all. Pumped to be in the race right now. I guess my point is The Isles being where we are has little to do with PA or Boyes. I really don't care about PA but I feel with him in the line up it wouldn't have hurt us from making the playoffs or not. I'm content with Boyes, he has been affective enough for what I expected.

Nino Wil be top line RW next year. Snow did the best thing you can do to Nino. Not all players have JT mentality. Nino put up numbers, got upset we wouldnt bring him up. Now he will have Chip on his shoulder. He should never want to go down to minors ever again.

I do think Boyes will resign. He definately earned a raise over his 1MM he made this year. I say he gets a 3 year 9MM deal. He still has plenty of hockey left.

And i think he does want to stay on LI.

Here is only PA Parenteau you will need to know. PA Parenteau will be golfing next week. Ask him if he would trade one less year off his contract in lanche to be playign with isles in Playoffs right now. Imagine what would be going through his mind if isles make a cinderella run and win it all.

Hockey not just about stats, its about playing a complete game and good chemistry. PA stats mean nothing when his team is Bottom of Western Conference.
- Spartiarti

Huh??

I wouldn't throw away the season we have at all. Pumped to be in the race right now. I guess my point is The Isles being where we are has little to do with PA or Boyes. I really don't care about PA but I feel with him in the line up it wouldn't have hurt us from making the playoffs or not. I'm content with Boyes, he has been affective enough for what I expected.
- Nolanders

exactly!!!!

The thing about PA (and why the (frank) is he a topic of convo at this point?)

Big thing about PA.....

You PA lovers know in a couple of seasons we have to pay nearly half this team, right. We need to sign a goalie THIS year. We will need this money down the road. Wang is not spending to get to the cap ceiling, so, everyone continue with the playoff talk and enough about this assclown, who, could still be playing here if he didn't get every (frank)ing red cent he could get his hands on.

How do you (or any of us) know that there are "top of the line" PROSPECTS ready for that spot? How many "top of the line prospects" never materialized at the NHL level? How many players were great in the AHL but sucked at the NHL level? With that type of thinking, our leading goal scorer should be Jeff Tambelinni.

Who is the other "Boyes Type" player? We replaced PA with another "PA type player" and got lucky that it somewhat worked. How many times are we going to get lucky like that?

The one thing that we all know for a fact is that we don't really know anything. The only thing we are 100% sure of is that the first line worked this year. Changing it without a viable backup plan is not a smart move.
- kencan98

Your expectations are too low for our first line. I think this year has been a disappointment for our first line. While Tavares is clearly dominating play and has become a star, his ppg production is right on pace with last year. Moulson's production has slipped. Boyes sucks. So when you look at this line and say that clearly their statistical productivity hasn't kept up with the maturing of Tavares, you can only point the finger at his linemates.

While you can say "We don't know" about the better options, I'm pretty confident our scouts and coaches do know. Boyes is not a valuable commodity. The top line has not 'worked' up to expectation IMO and that is largely because of Boyes.

Huh??
- kasperrko

Somebody will sign him to a similar deal. Hopefully, not us.

The thing about PA (and why the (frank) is he a topic of convo at this point?)

Big thing about PA.....

You PA lovers know in a couple of seasons we have to pay nearly half this team, right. We need to sign a goalie THIS year. We will need this money down the road. Wang is not spending to get to the cap ceiling, so, everyone continue with the playoff talk and enough about this assclown, who, could still be playing here if he didn't get every (frank)ing red cent he could get his hands on.
- potvin05

Like Streit in the off season?

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Nicely said Keaner...

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- keaner17

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Like Streit in the off season?

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We don't know that. Yet.

PA was offered, what? 3 years/10 mil, I believe. He got offered 4/16 from Colorado. He took the better deal. Decided living in Colorado and playing with Duschene was better than living on LI and playing with Tavares. The $666,000 per year and the extra year obviously meant a lot to him. So, like I said months ago, kudos to him, and not that it's his fault, have fun drafting 2nd in June.

We don't know that. Yet.
- potvin05

in the immortal words of my boy Han Solo.

"I got a bad feeling about this"

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in the immortal words of my boy Han Solo.

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In the somewhat twisted immortal words of Ivan Drago.

"If he goes, he goes."

Your expectations are too low for our first line. I think this year has been a disappointment for our first line. While Tavares is clearly dominating play and has become a star, his ppg production is right on pace with last year. Moulson's production has slipped. Boyes sucks. So when you look at this line and say that clearly their statistical productivity hasn't kept up with the maturing of Tavares, you can only point the finger at his linemates.

While you can say "We don't know" about the better options, I'm pretty confident our scouts and coaches do know. Boyes is not a valuable commodity. The top line has not 'worked' up to expectation IMO and that is largely because of Boyes.
- keaner17

Keaner is dead on accurate, and for kencan and whoever suggested signing Boyes take a look:

2008-09 St. Louis Blues NHL 82 33 39 72 26 -20 4 2 1 3 0
2009-10 St. Louis Blues NHL 82 14 28 42 26 1 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 St. Louis Blues NHL 62 12 29 41 30 11 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Buffalo Sabres NHL 21 5 9 14 6 2 7 1 0 1 0
2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 65 8 15 23 6 2 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 New York Islanders NHL 45 9 25 34 16 -7

I see a steady decline until he signed here and is playing with JT, who despite his goal scoring this year is on pace to slip in assists - because his linemates aren't producing.

Suggesting Boyes be signed to a multiyear deal (wtf?) at 3 years and 9 mil is ridiculous. That is what makes players untradeable in a salary cap world when a lot of teams will be looking to shed salary this offseason. That's a good way to get fired as a GM (unlikely Snow would have to even worry about that with Wang paying the bills, but for anyone else it would be a real worry)

where would you play Boyes if he wasn't on the first line? Does he fit anywhere else in our lineup currently? I'd say no. Is he a good fit on the first line? I'd say no. Did we get decent value as a fill in from Boyes? Possibly. Can we do something similar with someone else in the offseason or internally? I'd say absolutely yes.

Let's look at something here, Boyes was signed to a one year deal at 1 mil. This means he did NOT have a better offer. He played himself down to the 3rd and 4th lines in Buffalo. He served a purpose this year which was to be a placeholder in the lineup.

I wouldn't have touched the offer PA signed from Colorado and I wouldn't offer Boyes even 1/3 of what PA got on a one year deal at this point. That first line needs a different element on it to get the most out of the talent JT and Moulson have and it's not Boyes that will provide it.

Next!

***oh, as far as Streit, sign him for a 2 year deal at 3-4 mil per, or let him walk and bring up Donovan. While Streit has been valuable on the PP, LV has been far more useful at even strength and on the PK and I really liked what i saw of Donovan last year in limited time and this year he's taken a step forward in the AHL. 5-6th spot is the perfect place to ease him into the NHL and shelter him from getting stuck against top lines from other teams. LV was the critical resigning I wanted to see and has turned into one hell of a trade by Snow, who also played the situation perfectly, didn't burn any bridges with the player and actually got him to sign here for 2 more years. Brilliant.

In the somewhat twisted immortal words of Ivan Drago.

"If he goes, he goes."
- potvin05

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Be where we are right now!! Who knows we might not be where we are if PA was with the team
- kasperrko

Never look back!....Woulda, coulda, shoulda,.......
We don't what went on behind the scene with PA!
Was he a bad teamate, was he uncoachable, was he disliked in the room?
Who knows? and at this point, who cares!
All speculative fodder!
Let's clinch a playoff spot and go forward!

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Martin! Martin! Martin!

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i agree with that...pap should have been traded...but im hte first to admit im fickle about that because i said the same thing about nabby and now i cant get enough of the guy...im the first to admit that i wont judge a pap/nabby/streit situation till the answer smacks me in the face.

so ya, obviously since pap walked for nothing, it was a waste. but im not going to cry over spilled milk...we got another pap player in boyes...if he walks and we need another pap/boyes player, well get him...its easy for an NHL caliber player to produce on JTs line.
- LetsGoIsles

His post-game interviews blow Cappy's out of the water.

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LEt it be told without Nabby this team does not even sniff the playoffs. He is a veteran goaltender taht this team needs and rsponds too. I think he resigns here no problem as he loves it here

Besides JT grabs is the guy I want to hold onto most on this current team