I feel bad for the kid. I remember how I started thinking differently about life in between high school and college. From all accounts he was a good person in high school and lost his way.

I think that his older brother, who was seven years older, got him at the right time to make things confusing for him.

No excuses, just saying...
- rmiethaner

Feeling bad for the kid? He was 19 and had unlimited potential and from reports was just your average teenager. Smoked weed, played soccer, etc. The situation is... Unbelievably sad. But when you start to feel bad just remember he killed an 8 year old boy.

I understand your point very well...

I just choose to not make excuses for a 19yr old. And I choose not to feel bad for him because 19 isn't THAT young...he's not considered a child solider. He's smart enough to make his own decisions.
- Pen15

OK. I guess that is where we disagree is the age. In my opinion 19 is young. It has nothing to do with race, country, or religion. I don't know how old you are, so I am not sure how you feel about the age of 19. Anyway, to each his own. I feel bad for him. You don't. I understand. You can have the last word...

Feeling bad for the kid? He was 19 and had unlimited potential and from reports was just your average teenager. Smoked weed, played soccer, etc. The situation is... Unbelievably sad. But when you start to feel bad just remember he killed an 8 year old boy.
- Deadmau55

This!

OK. I guess that is where we disagree is the age. In my opinion 19 is young. It has nothing to do with race, country, or religion. I don't know how old you are, so I am not sure how you feel about the age of 19. Anyway, to each his own. I feel bad for him. You don't. I understand. You can have the last word...
- rmiethaner

Jesus would preach forgiveness, you're on the right track here. Most people forget that Jesus forgave Judas on the cross.

And because a YOUNG MAN (not a child) in university chooses to be brainwashed means we should "feel sorry for him"?

That's a load of sh!t.
- Pen15

He's still responsible for his actions, he should still be condemned. He's still awful. But, we should still keep that in perspective

Jesus would preach forgiveness, you're on the right track here. Most people forget that Jesus forgave Judas on the cross.
- ShooterMcGavin

...assuming people believe in jesus...

He's still responsible for his actions, he should still be condemned. He's still awful. But, we should still keep that in perspective
- david22

This...

He's still responsible for his actions, he should still be condemned. He's still awful. But, we should still keep that in perspective
- david22

Analyzing and trying to understand WHY he did the things he did is very different than saying you "feel sorry for him"...

If you can't clearly draw the distinction between the two, then this conversation has probably run it's course.

...assuming people believe in jesus...
- Pen15

Not entirely the point

This...
- rmiethaner

See post above.

Not entirely the point
- david22

Yes it is. Using Jesus as a justification for forgiveness is flawed...and is also not even the argument being made.

Are we talking about wanting to understand his motives? Or are we talking about being sympathetic, feeling sorry for him, and forgiving him?

Analyzing and trying to understand WHY he did the things he did is very different than saying you "feel sorry for him"...

If you can't clearly draw the distinction between the two, then this conversation has probably run it's course.
- Pen15

I don't feel sympathy for him, but I can understand if someone else did.

See post above.
- Pen15

The Jesus post? I am not going to touch that.

Yes it is. Using Jesus as a justification for forgiveness is flawed...and is also not even the argument being made.

Are we talking about wanting to understand his motives? Or are we talking about being sympathetic, feeling sorry for him, and forgiving him?
- Pen15

You can use the jesus argument of forgiveness and still not necessarily believe in jesus. That's if you want to forgive him.

I don't feel sympathy for him, but I can understand if someone else did.
- david22

Not really. At this point we know nothing about him (outside of the hand selected interviews by some acquaintances, and family members). He could've very easily NOT been brainwashed...all speculation, and premature at this point.

As a result, I find it very difficult to accept someone saying they "feel sorry" for a guy who we know nothing about yet.

Yes it is. Using Jesus as a justification for forgiveness is flawed...and is also not even the argument being made.

Are we talking about wanting to understand his motives? Or are we talking about being sympathetic, feeling sorry for him, and forgiving him?
- Pen15

If you think that I am a Jesus lover and that is why I argue the way I do, then that is wrong.

My argument is HE IS (frank)ING INSANE!!!! Being born that way or taught. That is flawed.

The Jesus post? I am not going to touch that.
- rmiethaner

Yeah I'm keeping my mouth shut.

The Jesus post? I am not going to touch that.
- rmiethaner

Chicken
Now respond to my PM !!!

The Jesus post? I am not going to touch that.
- rmiethaner

No. This:

Analyzing and trying to understand WHY he did the things he did is very different than saying you "feel sorry for him"...

If you can't clearly draw the distinction between the two, then this conversation has probably run it's course.

No. This:

Analyzing and trying to understand WHY he did the things he did is very different than saying you "feel sorry for him"...

If you can't clearly draw the distinction between the two, then this conversation has probably run it's course.
- Pen15

OK. Hold on. We might have to take this convo to PM's.

Chicken
Now respond to my PM !!!
- ShooterMcGavin

Responded...

Chicken
Now respond to my PM !!!
- ShooterMcGavin

Jesus is a recycled god...

His character has been used by various cultures and religions over millenniums.

Jesus is a recycled god...

His character has been used by various cultures and religions over millenniums.
- Pen15

We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes

Jesus is a recycled god...

His character has been used by various cultures and religions over millenniums.
- Pen15

Yeah I watched Zeitgeist too, He's a star chart. I may not believe in the man but I believe in the message.

Wasn't there a hockey blog around here somewhere?