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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 10 @ 1:26 PM ET
What's your point?

The role Schenn plays on this team is different than the role Giroux played on that team.

You can't even debate that.

- johndewar


One can argue that Schenn has had to face better competition as a 2nd line player. remember the Flyers had Carter and Richards and Briere ahead of G in the pecking order
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:26 PM ET

- PLindbergh31

I remember during the cup years alot of the fans had orange and black cars
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:27 PM ET
People can complain about his decline all they want. Statistically, he is 5th among all d-men in points this season, and on a overwhelmingly MINUS team, he somehow is a +1.

He is doing all this while playing with multiple injuries to boot.

- jak521


This would have been a historically bad year if Kimmo Timonen was not on this team.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:27 PM ET
Knuble's quote on Bryz allegedly falling asleep was great:

"You've hardly even sat down. I don't think your ass made your spot on the bench warm enough. That's silly. That's asinine."

- johndewar


It's amazing these players have to answer such questions.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:29 PM ET
One can argue that Schenn has had to face better competition as a 2nd line player. remember the Flyers had Carter and Richards and Briere ahead of G in the pecking order
- nastyflyergirl


It's not a debate. It's true.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:29 PM ET
One can argue that Schenn has had to face better competition as a 2nd line player. remember the Flyers had Carter and Richards and Briere ahead of G in the pecking order
- nastyflyergirl


I was kinda making that very point, actually. Someone had tried to compare G's year when he turned 21 with BSchenn's by quoting their ice time back to me and that's why I responded that way.

Essentially, I was making the point that BSchenn probably had a bigger role and way more expectations placed on him than he was ready to deliver on this year.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 1:30 PM ET
This would have been a historically bad year if Kimmo Timonen was not on this team.
- johndewar

The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:32 PM ET
The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
- mayorofangrytown

why is everybody getting on Bryz falling asleep? this team has a natural sleep ingredient in it
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:33 PM ET
The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
- mayorofangrytown


*sigh*

Yup. That too.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:33 PM ET
The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
- mayorofangrytown

So true. Imagine if this was a full season.. damn, i never even thought of that
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 10 @ 1:33 PM ET
I was kinda making that very point, actually. Someone had tried to compare G's year when he turned 21 with BSchenn's by quoting their ice time back to me and that's why I responded that way.

Essentially, I was making the point that BSchenn probably had a bigger role and way more expectations placed on him than he was ready to deliver on this year.

- johndewar



and his point totals are still respectable. I just don't understand why fans lump players in the "bust" category so quickly. its ridiculous.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:34 PM ET
The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
- mayorofangrytown


If there was another 43 games to play Bricker and Settlemyre would be the third defense pairing.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 10 @ 1:34 PM ET
I was kinda making that very point, actually. Someone had tried to compare G's year when he turned 21 with BSchenn's by quoting their ice time back to me and that's why I responded that way.

Essentially, I was making the point that BSchenn probably had a bigger role and way more expectations placed on him than he was ready to deliver on this year.

- johndewar



I believe that was Brad and unless I read him wrong, he is in agreement.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
and his point totals are still respectable. I just don't understand why fans lump players in the "bust" category so quickly. its ridiculous.
- nastyflyergirl



because it will create a buzz and they don't know the game...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
and his point totals are still respectable. I just don't understand why fans lump players in the "bust" category so quickly. its ridiculous.
- nastyflyergirl


I didn't call him a bust.

That's come up a few times in this thread and I'd love to know who did actually say it. He's too young to be called a bust, but he's not experienced enough for the role he's been asked to play this year.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:42 PM ET
I didn't call him a bust.

That's come up a few times in this thread and I'd love to know who did actually say it. He's too young to be called a bust, but he's not experienced enough for the role he's been asked to play this year.

- johndewar

I believe the 'Schenn is a bust' thing started back on page 3:

Philly.com in full on Braden Schenn is a bust mode. It must be horrible to be only 21 and know your career is already over.
- MBFlyerfan
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:44 PM ET
I believe the 'Schenn is a bust' thing started back on page 3:
- BulliesPhan87


Thanks!

I can't find the article he's referring to.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:46 PM ET
Puck handling skills are night and day different. Have yet to see Mason try a poke check but his ability to capture a puck behind the net and clear or pass on his own is light years ahead of Bryz.
That said he wasn't a miracle maker. So when our D got exposed it usually went into our net. With the exception of Mason stopping more than one breakway...
Mason could use some work on rebound control. Of course your D sliding into the puck and through the crease to put it into net doesn't help your numbers much

Of course we've only had 4 periods of play to evaluate Mason but he's not the second coming. He does some things better some things worse.

- FlyersGrace



Mason should have stuck out is left pad to stop the slide of Gustafsson. Should had that one!
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Apr 10 @ 1:46 PM ET
This feels like an assignment for someone who is skilled in the ways of Photoshop.
- johndewar



This is the best i could come up with

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 10 @ 1:47 PM ET
Thanks!

I can't find the article he's referring to.

- johndewar

Neither can I, I think he's referring to the comments. Anyways, to offer a counter-point, maybe Schenn isn't and/or wasn't ready for the role he was given this season. But if it's going to be a losing season, I think it's a good thing that he's getting that experience.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 10 @ 1:48 PM ET
Thanks!

I can't find the article he's referring to.

- johndewar


No need to bother. If it's on Philly.com it's awful.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:49 PM ET
Knuble's quote on Bryz allegedly falling asleep was great:

"You've hardly even sat down. I don't think your ass made your spot on the bench warm enough. That's silly. That's asinine."

- johndewar

he got ass in there twice
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 10 @ 1:49 PM ET
Neither can I, I think he's referring to the comments. Anyways, to offer a counter-point, maybe Schenn isn't and/or wasn't ready for the role he was given this season. But if it's going to be a losing season, I think it's a good thing that he's getting that experience.
- BulliesPhan87


And he's been a better offensive player than Giroux was at the same age, which is promising.

This is not to insinuate that Schenn is going to put up 90 pts a season, just that he's young and has had a relatively good year offensively.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:52 PM ET
I will chock it up to youth BUT the play by Schenn and Simmonds irked me because it just reaks of beer league play when a person is stuck in the D zone and when the puck finally leaves the zone they stay out cause they want time in the O zone. NO! you change and wait til next time.
- nastyflyergirl

no question, right after the time out, get the f-in line change

Lavi was furious

he would have slapped Leino upside his head if he was still on the bench
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 10 @ 1:54 PM ET
The only thing saving them is there's not another 43 games to play.
- mayorofangrytown

will you continue to watch?
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