What do you think that JBo brings based on his history?
- strongsupporter

I think that's a great point. J-Bo is a good D, but really, he has NO playoff experience, and has never played in a market where the playoffs were a real expectation (sorry Calgary fans, but your team has been absolute junk post-lockout). I wonder if the pressure to be the missing man for the Flyers' D would potentially be too much for J-Bo?

All-in-all, I would much rather try and nab someone with more experience and talent. If we're gonna try and get someone, why not go all-in?

I would be shocked if we got Jbo for that cheap.

I'd unload Briere, Timonen (only if we get a lot for him), Meszaros (probably buy out), Fedotenko. Stock pile picks and see who gets bought out on other teams.
- flyersfan51

Hard to believe any players that get bought out by other teams will be any good. There'd be a reason for buying them out...

The defence is in total need of a true # 1.....however Bryz does give up too many soft goals. You can see it in the players faces that their confidence just sinks when he lets in that soft goal.
- TorontoFLYER

What must his confidence level be with that crappy playing bunch of players in front of him.

Please, Bryz is so far down the list of issues with this team it's laughable to even mention his name.

im one of the flyers fans that wouldnt mind seeing them suck for a few years to restock the cupboards..... Chicago, LA, Penguins, all did it and won cups and will have good teams for years to come...

The time when building a team through free agency is gone...you will be good one year and bad the other and up against the cap.... god forbid an injury comes up....there goes the season.

Coburn would be a great 2nd pairing guy but he can't be a #1 or #2. I think that's part of the reason he is struggling. They are asking too much of him.
- NickTheKid87

It's basically the issue. I think as he matures more, there is potential to play limited time on the first pairings, but he can't be that guy. Just not his game.

I think that's a great point. J-Bo is a good D, but really, he has NO playoff experience, and has never played in a market where the playoffs were a real expectation (sorry Calgary fans, but your team has been absolute junk post-lockout). I wonder if the pressure to be the missing man for the Flyers' D would potentially be too much for J-Bo?

All-in-all, I would much rather try and nab someone with more experience and talent. If we're gonna try and get someone, why not go all-in?
- Flyers_V88

The price is already high for J-Bo. Going after a better player would only cost more. I'd rather them go after a reclamation project like Rundblad (for the 1000th time) or even Tyler Myers if he could be had for cheap.

Hard to believe any players that get bought out by other teams will be any good. There'd be a reason for buying them out...
- NickTheKid87

Yes, because the value proposition is skewed. There will be plenty of bought out players who are then signed with another team at a more reasonable $. Buyout most definitely does not equal sucks.

Hard to believe any players that get bought out by other teams will be any good. There'd be a reason for buying them out...
- NickTheKid87

The reason is their cap hit is not justified based on their current level of play. That doesn't mean they are necessarily bad players.

It's basically the issue. I think as he matures more, there is potential to play limited time on the first pairings, but he can't be that guy. Just not his game.
- Flyers_V88

Yeah, occasionally because of an injury or what have you, he could play as a #2 defenseman but not consistently. He won't get any better. He is a #3-4 dman and he's very good in that role.

The reason is their cap hit is not justified based on their current level of play. That doesn't mean they are necessarily bad players.
- Feanor

I feel like we put to much stock in these buyouts. Who do you think are some candidates?

The price is already high for J-Bo. Going after a better player would only cost more. I'd rather them go after a reclamation project like Rundblad (for the 1000th time) or even Tyler Myers if he could be had for cheap.
- NickTheKid87

How would you get Myers cheap? Again, based on the past two years, is he a solution?

Yes, because the value proposition is skewed. There will be plenty of bought out players who are then signed with another team at a more reasonable $. Buyout most definitely does not equal sucks.
- Scoob

I think we are over-analyzing the compliance buyouts. Give some guys you think will be bought out or at least be candidates.

Coburn would be a great 2nd pairing guy but he can't be a #1 or #2. I think that's part of the reason he is struggling. They are asking too much of him.
- NickTheKid87

He is a solid second pairing guy, but I disagree that they are asking too much of him.. Since 2009... He has played 274 games, has scored 12 goals, and chipped in 52 assists and is a +8. He has missed 2 games. The fact that he doesnt miss game is his best asset. Other wise on average over that span he is a 3.5 goal 15.5 assist per season d-man. He also routinely battles consistency issues.. A string of games he plays reallly well.. and then boom struggles. Right now he is putrid. And that doesnt help things.

im one of the flyers fans that wouldnt mind seeing them suck for a few years to restock the cupboards..... Chicago, LA, Penguins, all did it and won cups and will have good teams for years to come...

The time when building a team through free agency is gone...you will be good one year and bad the other and up against the cap....
- Philly1980

It's true, it really is the trick lol. Doug MacLean on Sportnet said, in a somewhat joking manner, that the trick he was told by a league friend, was to try and finish last or close to the bottom for a few years, and draft high and build.

The only issue/difference between Chicago, Pitts, and LA, is that the Flyers fanbase and market is much harder on its team with respect to winning and having a winning culture, and those organizations had been so mediocre for so long that it was just allowed to happen organically. Consequently, Ed isn't patient, nor is the organization, and as a result it's almost never gotten to that point in recent memory.

What must his confidence level be with that crappy playing bunch of players in front of him.

Please, Bryz is so far down the list of issues with this team it's laughable to even mention his name.
- Scoob

Yeah, occasionally because of an injury or what have you, he could play as a #2 defenseman but not consistently. He won't get any better. He is a #3-4 dman and he's very good in that role.
- NickTheKid87

Yeah, agreed.

I think we are over-analyzing the compliance buyouts. Give some guys you think will be bought out or at least be candidates.
- NickTheKid87

Briere - cap hit is clearly not in line with his production. Is he useless to a team? No, he's got gas in the tank still.

How would you get Myers cheap? Again, based on the past two years, is he a solution?
- strongsupporter

That's the thing, we porbably couldn't get Myers cheap.

As for the solution, I wouldn't mind six 3-4 defenseman. Bring in 2 middle pairing puckmovers plus they have Grossmann, Schenn, Coburn as stay at home guys (maybe move 1 to bring in a puck mover) plus Mesz with a big shot. That would be a good mix and they could roll all 3 pairings. IMO, that's more or less the same as having a good 1st pairing, a solid 2nd pairing and a lesser 3rd pairing. I'm not of the mindset that you NEED a #1, just a good mix and depth.

The price is already high for J-Bo. Going after a better player would only cost more. I'd rather them go after a reclamation project like Rundblad (for the 1000th time) or even Tyler Myers if he could be had for cheap.
- NickTheKid87

I think if the objective is to try and get someone at the deadline for this/next year, it's going to be artificially high I think.

I know that Calgary will want a decent return, but I think if we can wait out the year and go into the summer, we may not have to give up that much more to acquire a bigger name. Just my speculation, but I can't see Calgary getting away with trying to fetch a return like Nashville was looking for, or something along those lines.

Briere - cap hit is clearly not in line with his production. Is he useless to a team? No, he's got gas in the tank still.
- Scoob

That's just from the egg salad.

Briere - cap hit is clearly not in line with his production. Is he useless to a team? No, he's got gas in the tank still.
- Scoob

Non-Flyers I mean.

And there is still a chance they won't buyout Danny, mind you.

I feel like we put to much stock in these buyouts. Who do you think are some candidates?
- NickTheKid87

Last week on NHL Live EJ Hradek had a top 5 list of buyout candidates.

5. Briere
4. Brad Richards
3. Hossa
2. Luongo
1. Bryzgalov

Those middle three players would all be worth considering signing to short term deals, if the price was right.

I think if the objective is to try and get someone at the deadline for this/next year, it's going to be artificially high I think.

I know that Calgary will want a decent return, but I think if we can wait out the year and go into the summer, we may not have to give up that much more to acquire a bigger name. Just my speculation, but I can't see Calgary getting away with trying to fetch a return like Nashville was looking for, or something along those lines.
- Flyers_V88

I would hate a deadline deal unless they are selling. I would prefer if all moves came in the offseason otherwise.

Last week on NHL Live EJ Hradek had a top 5 list of buyout candidates.

5. Briere
4. Brad Richards
3. Hossa
2. Luongo
1. Bryzgalov

Those middle three players would all be worth considering signing to short term deals, if the price was right.
- Feanor

I highly doubt Richards, Hossa and Luongo get bought out. They would trade those guys long before buying them out.

It's true, it really is the trick lol. Doug MacLean on Sportnet said, in a somewhat joking manner, that the trick he was told by a league friend, was to try and finish last or close to the bottom for a few years, and draft high and build.

The only issue/difference between Chicago, Pitts, and LA, is that the Flyers fanbase and market is much harder on its team with respect to winning and having a winning culture, and those organizations had been so mediocre for so long that it was just allowed to happen organically. Consequently, Ed isn't patient, nor is the organization, and as a result it's almost never gotten to that point in recent memory.
- Flyers_V88

suffer for 3 years and dominate for 10..... they already have schennx2,couts, giroux...now they need a defenseman...i would absolutely tank the season for jones...


4 to 5 years to develop....fine by me ...

Giroux will be 29/30
scenns wil be 27/28
couts will be 25.....

thats the big picture. No need to trade anyone just suck really bad for 19 games....i mean come one is druin or mackinon a bad cancellation prize? HELL NO.