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jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
Also, if he's a Flyer, he will certainly have Pronger to help mentor him.
- Jsaquella


That brings up an interesting point. Can a player (injured or not) also be a coach or assistant coach?
I would think not, since there would be cap issues (is his salary for a player and coach, or just a player, or separate contracts, etc.). But if so, as long as he gets back to being able to deal with normal day-to-day activities, it would be nice to have him as an assistant coach or advisor of some kind for any of our young defensemen.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
A lot depends on the lottery. I could see a team like Columbus or Washington taking Nate MacKinnon. I could see Florida grabbing Drouin.

I posted last night, if they are at 7, and Lindholm and Shinkaruk are the only "top ten" forwards left, I think they go with Nurse.

- Jsaquella

the Panthers are going to be so good, they had 40 shots on Ellis and totally dominated Carolina
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
Agreed. Only way I'd trade a top-3 pick this year would be to move up to #1 (Jones) or for an established top-pair defensman such as Pietrangelo, Letang, etc. (more would have to be included).
- jmatchett


I wouldn't trade a top 3 pick, and having one wouldn't be enough for Pietrangelo. Jones is a probable Franchise defenseman, Pietrangelo is already one, and is only 4 years older than Jones would be.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Mar 21 @ 9:56 AM ET
if this is the case, I don't know how the Flyers could pass him up if he was available when they were selecting.
- PLindbergh31


he won't be, unfortunately. unless they win the lottery
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 9:57 AM ET
Yeah, I'm in the same boat
- Jsaquella


well here are the statistical chances......they just have to suck really bad!

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 9:58 AM ET
That brings up an interesting point. Can a player (injured or not) also be a coach or assistant coach?
I would think not, since there would be cap issues (is his salary for a player and coach, or just a player, or separate contracts, etc.). But if so, as long as he gets back to being able to deal with normal day-to-day activities, it would be nice to have him as an assistant coach or advisor of some kind for any of our young defensemen.

- jmatchett


Ian Laperriere was named to an official position as a roving instructor before he retired, so there's nothing stopping the Flyers from naming Pronger as some sort of advisor or instructor role.

There's also nothing against naming a player as an assistant coach.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 9:58 AM ET
I wouldn't trade a top 3 pick, and having one wouldn't be enough for Pietrangelo. Jones is a probable Franchise defenseman, Pietrangelo is already one, and is only 4 years older than Jones would be.
- Jsaquella


Well yes, more would have to be included. I was just saying, he's one of the few guys I'd consider moving it in a deal for. As much as I'd love the Flyers to draft Seth Jones, there's always a possibility he just doesn't pan out in the pros, while Pietrangelo is a pretty proven commodity.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ian Laperriere was named to an official position as a roving instructor before he retired, so there's nothing stopping the Flyers from naming Pronger as some sort of advisor or instructor role.

There's also nothing against naming a player as an assistant coach.

- Jsaquella


So, if he's an assistant coach, would he have to sign 2 different contracts? Since coach' salaries don't count against the cap, I can't imagine his coach pay would be included in his player contract.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 21 @ 10:00 AM ET
Well yes, more would have to be included. I was just saying, he's one of the few guys I'd consider moving it in a deal for. As much as I'd love the Flyers to draft Seth Jones, there's always a possibility he just doesn't pan out in the pros, while Pietrangelo is a pretty proven commodity.
- jmatchett

this is going to be one of the more fun drafts for this blog
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:00 AM ET

- tangent_man


PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:02 AM ET
he won't be, unfortunately. unless they win the lottery
- FlyerMike18


Drouin or MacKinnon will do!
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 21 @ 10:02 AM ET
this is going to be one of the more fun drafts for this blog
- vejim


considering we probably going to pick in the top ten...hopefully top 3 if homer blows it up///
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 10:02 AM ET
he won't be, unfortunately. unless they win the lottery
- FlyerMike18


Well as of right now they would be picking 6th. They play the Pens and Rangers coming off their break, then have the Islanders, Bruins and Caps to finish the month.

Could very easily lose 3 or 4 in those 5, which are their last games before the TDL. They have owned the Isles of late, but the Caps games tend to be close in score. Their record against the Pens, notwithstanding, that's a team that's been rolling lately. I won't even get into their play vs the Rangers and Bruins.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 21 @ 10:03 AM ET
Ian Laperriere was named to an official position as a roving instructor before he retired, so there's nothing stopping the Flyers from naming Pronger as some sort of advisor or instructor role.

There's also nothing against naming a player as an assistant coach.

- Jsaquella

make Pronger coach and Lappy and Toch asst.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 10:03 AM ET
So, if he's an assistant coach, would he have to sign 2 different contracts? Since coach' salaries don't count against the cap, I can't imagine his coach pay would be included in his player contract.
- jmatchett


Nope. Just name him a "playing" assistant. They did the same with Bob Clarke back in the day.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 21 @ 10:04 AM ET
considering we probably going to pick in the top ten...hopefully top 3 if homer blows it up///
- Philly1980

you might see 3,000 hits?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:04 AM ET
Kind if off topic, but if he's healthy, would you play Shelley the last game of the season (assuming the season is essentially over by then)? As much crap as he got, he's a pretty good guy from what I've read, and it's not likely he ever plays another NHL game. So if the season is shot anyway, would you at least let him play the last game? Same with Knuble.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 10:04 AM ET
Well yes, more would have to be included. I was just saying, he's one of the few guys I'd consider moving it in a deal for. As much as I'd love the Flyers to draft Seth Jones, there's always a possibility he just doesn't pan out in the pros, while Pietrangelo is a pretty proven commodity.
- jmatchett


He'd cost an arm and a leg, plus he's due for a new deal and I doubt his AAV starts with a number lower than $7mm
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 10:05 AM ET
Kind if off topic, but if he's healthy, would you play Shelley the last game of the season (assuming the season is essentially over by then)? As much crap as he got, he's a pretty good guy from what I've read, and it's not likely he ever plays another NHL game. So if the season is shot anyway, would you at least let him play the last game? Same with Knuble.
- jmatchett


I'd have no trouble with that, letting guys get in a final hurrah. It'd have to be a meaningless game, which it likely would be.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:05 AM ET
Well as of right now they would be picking 6th. They play the Pens and Rangers coming off their break, then have the Islanders, Bruins and Caps to finish the month.

Could very easily lose 3 or 4 in those 5, which are their last games before the TDL. They have owned the Isles of late, but the Caps games tend to be close in score. Their record against the Pens, notwithstanding, that's a team that's been rolling lately. I won't even get into their play vs the Rangers and Bruins.

- Jsaquella


8 of the remaining 18 games are against the Pens, Rags, B's, Habs, and Devils. The playoffs are a pipe dream, I think it actually makes sense to hope they lose as many games possible.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:05 AM ET
Nope. Just name him a "playing" assistant. They did the same with Bob Clarke back in the day.
- Jsaquella


Right, but Clarke didn't play int he salary cap era. Then again, I guess you could just factor that in as part of his responsibility as a player...but would suck if he was ever relieved of his coaching duties on a multi-year deal.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Mar 21 @ 10:06 AM ET
Drouin or MacKinnon will do!
- PLindbergh31


absolutely...if they wind up with one of those 3 it will be a pretty big deal. even if not, they'll probably get a damn good young player

watching some highlights makes me really want drouin
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:08 AM ET
8 of the remaining 18 games are against the Pens, Rags, B's, Habs, and Devils. The playoffs are a pipe dream, I think it actually makes sense to hope they lose as many games possible.
- PLindbergh31


I'd still like to win at least 1 game against both the Pens and Rags. But yeah, otherwise:
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 21 @ 10:08 AM ET
Anyone see this gem?

what a friggin clown Sestito is.

Tom Sestito ‏@TomSestito23 12h
Looks like lebrons old team is going to end the streak #Cavs #Lebum
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 10:09 AM ET
Right, but Clarke didn't play int he salary cap era. Then again, I guess you could just factor that in as part of his responsibility as a player...but would suck if he was ever relieved of his coaching duties on a multi-year deal.
- jmatchett


Well, he's not retiring and the contract's guaranteed as long as he doesn't.
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