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canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Mar 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
People need to stop comparing Iginla to the influence Roberts and/or Guerin brought. There's more to veteran leadership than being old.

Postseason games:

Iginla- 54
Crosby- 68
Roberts- 130
Guerin- 140


Discuss.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:47 PM ET
maybe a second and it becomes a first if he resigns and dumoulin would be what id want to give up. and i am totally fine if a calgary fan says thats insulting. i understand they need to clearly win this trade, which means i would be leery about being a part of it
- stayinthefnnet

True ...Sid should give Jarome a call to see if he'd like to join us. Friendship and under the table moves make a whole lot of difference.
Francois Leroux
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: New Castle, DE
Joined: 07.10.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:48 PM ET
If Iggy was the missing piece, I see your point. He is far from the missing piece for Pittsburgh. He simply isn't a need.
- Oneonta Penguin


I could see your beef with Iggy. But will you agree with me that we need some grit\toughness, veteran leadership?

Trying to get a 50\50 with you at least.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
I could see your beef with Iggy. But will you agree with me that we need some grit\toughness, veteran leadership?

Trying to get a 50\50 with you at least.

- Francois Leroux


Find it for the third line.
Francois Leroux
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: New Castle, DE
Joined: 07.10.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
People need to stop comparing Iginla to the influence Roberts and/or Guerin brought. There's more to veteran leadership than being old.

Postseason games:

Iginla- 54
Crosby- 68
Roberts- 130
Guerin- 140


Discuss.

- canadianpenfan


It's not the amount of playoff games that matter. It's the players character, heart and determination.

PS Not saying that Crosby doesn't have any of those. It's just something special about certain players.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
People need to stop comparing Iginla to the influence Roberts and/or Guerin brought. There's more to veteran leadership than being old.

Postseason games:

Iginla- 54
Crosby- 68
Roberts- 130
Guerin- 140


Discuss.

- canadianpenfan


Iginla was a franchise player....IN CALGARY the other two were journeymen, who'd sign with whatever team had the best chance to win a cup. Interesting though..
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
That #12 is just hanging there since the departure of Chris Bourque...
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Mar 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
People need to stop comparing Iginla to the influence Roberts and/or Guerin brought. There's more to veteran leadership than being old.

Postseason games:

Iginla- 54
Crosby- 68
Roberts- 130
Guerin- 140


Discuss.

- canadianpenfan



I totally agree. Sid has never had that trigger man on his line. And, Iggy is just that type of player. Not to mention a damn good leader. his toughness would get Sid a little more room as well.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
Dallas is going down. Go get it Shero!

Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
I totally agree. Sid has never had that trigger man on his line. And, Iggy is just that type of player. Not to mention a damn good leader. his toughness would get Sid a little more room as well.
- bixll


Whats the difference between what Kunitz is doing this year and anything Iginla has done? Honest question.

Sid doesn't need help.

http://tinyurl.com/bk87w3m
bri29smith
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Monongahela, PA
Joined: 08.20.2009

Mar 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
To those saying no to Iginla because the need isn't a top 6, it would be hard to argue that there isn't a need for a bottom 6, and if they can't find a bottom 6 they feel will fit their need, I think the next step would be to consider getting a top 6 like Iginla and move Dupuis to bottom 6 where he is more suited.

Dupuis is the best fit for their third line, better than anyone else they could get via trade, and Iginla would allow them to move him there. 24-16-9 is a third line you win the cup with.

I agree I don't like giving up a lot of assets for a rental, and I'm not sold on trying for Iginla, but I see how the trickle down would certainly fill a need in the bottom 6.
Killian
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Germantown, MD
Joined: 02.22.2013

Mar 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
People need to stop comparing Iginla to the influence Roberts and/or Guerin brought. There's more to veteran leadership than being old.

Postseason games:

Iginla- 54
Crosby- 68
Roberts- 130
Guerin- 140


Discuss.

- canadianpenfan


Honestly, I don't even know why people insist on talking about Iginla. WE DON'T NEED HIM. This is not the player we should be talking about weeks before the trade deadline. Our team has scored more goals than any other team in the league. Our top six will remain Dupuis, Crosby, Kunitz, Neal, Malkin, and Bennett. We ARE NOT going to bring Iginla in here to play on the 3rd line, it's just not going to happen. If we are going to upgrade fowards at the trade deadline, it will be a 3rd/4th veteran player that brings grit. The most important position for us to upgrade is a top 4 D-man to play with Letang.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Mar 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
Whats the difference between what Kunitz is doing this year and anything Iginla has done? Honest question.

Sid doesn't need help.

http://tinyurl.com/bk87w3m

- Gunner Staal



I do agree Kunitz has stepped up this year and been that guy. And can be that guy moving forward, put Iggy on the other side, and you have the best line in hockey.

And, everybody needs help, this is a team game.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
To those saying no to Iginla because the need isn't a top 6, it would be hard to argue that there isn't a need for a bottom 6, and if they can't find a bottom 6 they feel will fit their need, I think the next step would be to consider getting a top 6 like Iginla and move Dupuis to bottom 6 where he is more suited.

Dupuis is the best fit for their third line, better than anyone else they could get via trade, and Iginla would allow them to move him there. 24-16-9 is a third line you win the cup with.

I agree I don't like giving up a lot of assets for a rental, and I'm not sold on trying for Iginla, but I see how the trickle down would certainly fill a need in the bottom 6.

- bri29smith


Do we really think that Ray Shero is not capable of finding a third line winger upgrade that will cost way less than Iginla?

If the Penguins want to make a splash on the top 6 and bump Dupuis down, it cant be for a rental, it needs to make sense past this year.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Mar 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
Find it for the third line.
- Gunner Staal


I agree... someone mentioned Brenden Morrow earlier. That move I like. If he wants to leave Dallas, the cost won't be much, and he could add some leadership and grit to the third line.

If you want to make a run in the summer for Iginla, I'd be ok with that, but I don't like giving up good assets for a rental that you don't need.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
I totally agree. Sid has never had that trigger man on his line. And, Iggy is just that type of player. Not to mention a damn good leader. his toughness would get Sid a little more room as well.
- bixll



Crosby has a trigger man everytime he steps on the ice. The best part is it doesn't seem to matter who it is. But more to your point, how can Kunitz not be considered a trigger man? Dude is 3rd in the league in points...
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Mar 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
I agree... someone mentioned Brenden Morrow earlier. That move I like. If he wants to leave Dallas, the cost won't be much, and he could add some leadership and grit to the third line.

If you want to make a run in the summer for Iginla, I'd be ok with that, but I don't like giving up good assets for a rental that you don't need.

- rival22


Morrow would be close to a perfect fit on what I had in mind.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
Honestly, I don't even know why people insist on talking about Iginla. WE DON'T NEED HIM. This is not the player we should be talking about weeks before the trade deadline. Our team has scored more goals than any other team in the league. Our top six will remain Dupuis, Crosby, Kunitz, Neal, Malkin, and Bennett. We ARE NOT going to bring Iginla in here to play on the 3rd line, it's just not going to happen. If we are going to upgrade fowards at the trade deadline, it will be a 3rd/4th veteran player that brings grit. The most important position for us to upgrade is a top 4 D-man to play with Letang.
- Killian



Totally agree. Toughness and leadership can be addressed with less skilled players without giving up the kind of assets you would need to part with for Iginla.

Jesus Murphy, the team has won 6 in a row and is leading the league by 10 goals and this is what we're talking about?

Spoiled. No other word for it.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Mar 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
To those saying no to Iginla because the need isn't a top 6, it would be hard to argue that there isn't a need for a bottom 6, and if they can't find a bottom 6 they feel will fit their need, I think the next step would be to consider getting a top 6 like Iginla and move Dupuis to bottom 6 where he is more suited.

Dupuis is the best fit for their third line, better than anyone else they could get via trade, and Iginla would allow them to move him there. 24-16-9 is a third line you win the cup with.

I agree I don't like giving up a lot of assets for a rental, and I'm not sold on trying for Iginla, but I see how the trickle down would certainly fill a need in the bottom 6.

- bri29smith


But you don't hurt your organization's future by giving up a top prospect and a first to help your 3rd line as a fall back plan.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Mar 14 @ 2:04 PM ET
Crosby has a trigger man everytime he steps on the ice. The best part is it doesn't seem to matter who it is. But more to your point, how can Kunitz not be considered a trigger man? Dude is 3rd in the league in points...
- canadianpenfan


Fine but replace Dupes with Iggy and how good is that line?
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Mar 14 @ 2:05 PM ET
Something to look at while bored today

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern.html
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Mar 14 @ 2:05 PM ET
Fine but replace Dupes with Iggy and how good is that line?
- bixll



Not good enough to justify parting with a 1st and a prospect.

How good is the line without him? Good enough for me.
Killian
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Germantown, MD
Joined: 02.22.2013

Mar 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
Fine but replace Dupes with Iggy and how good is that line?
- bixll



Goals this Season
Dupuis = 11
Iginla = 7

You're killing me smalls. Please stop talking nonsense, and start talking about something that makes sense.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 14 @ 2:09 PM ET
Wait until we lose a game 4-0 to a Toronto or whoever. We can always make our team better without giving up too much.
bri29smith
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Monongahela, PA
Joined: 08.20.2009

Mar 14 @ 2:09 PM ET
But you don't hurt your organization's future by giving up a top prospect and a first to help your 3rd line as a fall back plan.
- rival22


Honestly, in 3 years no one would care about losing let's say Maata/1st. Just like no one cares that we lost Esposito/1st for Hossa. Giving up Maata/1st doesn't hurt the future as much as everyone says.

Third lines win Cups, so to me a third line this year is more important than a possible top 4 dman in 3 years.

Does everyone think they drafted all of those defensemen to actually play here? They are assets that will be used mostly in trades to complement the core.
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