Understand where you are coming from, but the Pens aren't going to be interested in a
- s0rcerer1984[Despres, Kennedy, 1st] <--> [Iginlia, Sarich, Comeau] deal.

Most of the Pens price being paid (ie, Despres and the 1st) would be for Iginlia, who will be a UFA in a few months anyway. If he wants to come to Pitt then, great, as he'd fit in well with the Pens, but he isn't a need for the Pens at the moment; he'd be a luxery. Despres and 1st for a luxery isn't going to happen.

Comeau and Sarich, maybe. Kennedy could be part of the deal, but the Pens would also have to send a Dman on the roster back who is not named Letang, Martin, Orpik, or Despres. Would be hard to balance the value in my eyes given those constraits.

Kennedy for Comeau might be a more realistic trade when all is said and done.

The thought being that Iginla would re-sign with the team he is willing to waive his NTC for. I don't see him coming back to Calgary if he is traded. Pitt cld get a 5/4.5/4/3 contract for him.

I'd be ok with Kennedy for Comeau, doesn't hurt at least. I'd prefer the original offer though.

Not trying to be a jerk, but given the Flames place in the standings the last couple years & age of their top guys, it seems like they need just about everything, especially when you are talking about young players for the long term, not just right now.


- Antilles

No jerkiness taken. At LW we have Cammi, Tanguay, Glencross, Hudler, Cervenka (his preference) and still need room for Baertschi. We also have Gaudreau in the pipeline as well as a few other prospects. Yes, RW is definitley a deficiency in our org. but most would argue, C is the biggest need. Then again, most teams would say that.
I forgot you guys had so may RW. I remember thinking that last year and what a great trading partner you guys would have been. A little to exuberant on my part I guess. I had Stajan in my trade scenario. He is actually a pretty decent 3rd line C option, not great but decent.

Anyway, we are good in goalie prospects and LW. We need young D, preferably of the right shot- puck moving variety and of course, centeres. What else have you got?

I'd rather get Colbourne out of Toronto. And it'd be cheaper.


- FLflames34

Why? Couturier has a much higher ceiling than Colbourne. I was interested in him a couple of years ago when TO picked him up for Kabs, but he hasn't done much since.

The thought being that Iginla would re-sign with the team he is willing to waive his NTC for. I don't see him coming back to Calgary if he is traded. Pitt cld get a 5/4.5/4/3 contract for him.

I'd be ok with Kennedy for Comeau, doesn't hurt at least. I'd prefer the original offer though.
- FLflames34

Maybe, maybe not. But after the Hossa deal Shero has said he'd never trade away as much for a rental again & see him walk. Despres and a 1st would be a huge price to pay for a rental that may end up somewhere else come 2014. Plus, the Pens already have a Top-6 next year of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, and Bennett. Dupuis could be re-signed for less than Iginlia and with more certainity as well.

Now, if the Flames offered up [Comeau and Glencross] for [Kennedy and 1st], you'd probably get the Pens attention. Not sure if it'd go through, but the Pens would be listening.

Also, can Glencross play RW? Has he ever played RW in the past or is he strictly a LW?

Why? Couturier has a much higher ceiling than Colbourne. I was interested in him a couple of years ago when TO picked him up for Kabs, but he hasn't done much since.
- TandA4Flames

Absolutely correct. Some of FLflames34 trade ideas are crazy.

Maybe, maybe not. But after the Hossa deal Shero has said he'd never trade away as much for a rental again & see him walk. Despres and a 1st would be a huge price to pay for a rental that may end up somewhere else come 2014. Plus, the Pens already have a Top-6 next year of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, and Bennett. Dupuis could be re-signed for less than Iginlia and with more certainity as well.

Now, if the Flames offered up
- s0rcerer1984[Comeau and Glencross] for [Kennedy and 1st], you'd probably get the Pens attention. Not sure if it'd go through, but the Pens would be listening.

Also, can Glencross play RW? Has he ever played RW in the past or is he strictly a LW?

Yea, he has spent a little time on RW. Glencross has a great contract, though. It may take more than Kennedy + the 1st. I think seriously, Feast would want Despres or possibly Morrow and a 1st; an NHL ready prospect.

Absolutely correct. Some of FLflames34 trade ideas are crazy.
- whipper334

Maybe so, but the cost of Cout is redic and at least Colbourne may project on a #2 line one day, for cheaper cost.

Maybe, maybe not. But after the Hossa deal Shero has said he'd never trade away as much for a rental again & see him walk. Despres and a 1st would be a huge price to pay for a rental that may end up somewhere else come 2014. Plus, the Pens already have a Top-6 next year of Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, and Bennett. Dupuis could be re-signed for less than Iginlia and with more certainity as well.

Now, if the Flames offered up
- s0rcerer1984[Comeau and Glencross] for [Kennedy and 1st], you'd probably get the Pens attention. Not sure if it'd go through, but the Pens would be listening.

Also, can Glencross play RW? Has he ever played RW in the past or is he strictly a LW?

I think- if Iggy assures a resigning, Iggy + Comeau + Sarich for Despres + Kennedy and a 1st is fair as hell. Puts Pitt as the #1 east contender, and puts Calgary in a palatable state for selling the move to the base.

Maybe so, but the cost of Cout is redic and at least Colbourne may project on a #2 line one day, for cheaper cost.
- FLflames34

I think the guys close to reaching "bust" status. If we are going to blow out players to retool/rebuild, then get it right. The ideas here have been Jbo for Couturier, are you saying Jbo for Colbourne? I sure as hell hope not.

No jerkiness taken. At LW we have Cammi, Tanguay, Glencross, Hudler, Cervenka (his preference) and still need room for Baertschi. We also have Gaudreau in the pipeline as well as a few other prospects. Yes, RW is definitley a deficiency in our org. but most would argue, C is the biggest need. Then again, most teams would say that.
I forgot you guys had so may RW. I remember thinking that last year and what a great trading partner you guys would have been. A little to exuberant on my part I guess. I had Stajan in my trade scenario. He is actually a pretty decent 3rd line C option, not great but decent.

Anyway, we are good in goalie prospects and LW. We need young D, preferably of the right shot- puck moving variety and of course, centeres. What else have you got?
- TandA4Flames

Blues are unlikely to give up their young, RH puck moving guys... Petro and Shatty both have Norris Trophy level career potential. Polak could be moved in the right deal, but he is more of a defensive guy than offensive, and I imagine Blues value him more highly than most other teams would. Blues depth they can trade from is in the wings. If Flames look good on the left, we have on the right side: Oshie is a fan favorite, and Tarasenko was too impressive before getting injured to let go of without seeing more of to establish his real value. That leaves Stewart, a big, power forward good for 30ish goals a year, and D'agostini, a cheap forward good for 20ish goals when he gets decent minutes. Rattie is a blue chip prospect we have on the right side, looks like a top 6 forward in the making. I think Stewart and Rattie both have very high trade value... there aren't many big, 30 goal, power forwards in the league, and Rattie is looking better and better as a prospect. D'agostini is more of a solid second line player on some teams, third on other teams, but produces well for his cap number & salary.

Maybe so, but the cost of Cout is redic and at least Colbourne may project on a #2 line one day, for cheaper cost.
- FLflames34

We do NOT need anymore 2nd line centres.

Yea, he has spent a little time on RW. Glencross has a great contract, though. It may take more than Kennedy + the 1st. I think seriously, Feast would want Despres or possibly Morrow and a 1st; an NHL ready prospect.
- TandA4Flames

Perfectly understandable posistion.

If that is the case, i doubt the Penguins would pay it. Glencross looks like an ideal player for the Pens system & is younger at 30 than either Kunitz or Dupuis at 33, but Shero values his Dman and has talked about how much he values RFA years in the past.

In short, 5 or 6 yrs of financial control for Despres/Morrow (ie, entry level deal + RFA] would be a tough sell for only two guarenteed years of Glenncross. Would the Flames have any interest in Niskanen? He's 26yrs old & has improved from his Dallas days. Not a #1/2 Dman, but a solid offensive #3/4-ish Dman w/ another year left on his deal.

[Kennedy + Niskanen + 1st] <--> [Comeau + Glenncross]. Once again, not sure Pitt. would do this as Shero loves his D depth, but its the kind of deal that is more likely than one for Iginlia.

I think- if Iggy assures a resigning, Iggy + Comeau + Sarich for Despres + Kennedy and a 1st is fair as hell. Puts Pitt as the #1 east contender, and puts Calgary in a palatable state for selling the move to the base.
- FLflames34

I think if Iggy assures a resigning, then we are getting ripped in that scenario. Add another prospect and another 1st if that is the case.

I think- if Iggy assures a resigning, Iggy + Comeau + Sarich for Despres + Kennedy and a 1st is fair as hell. Puts Pitt as the #1 east contender, and puts Calgary in a palatable state for selling the move to the base.
- FLflames34

Pherhaps, but he won't do that. 0% chance Iginlia extends with any team prior to hitting UFA, other than the Flames.

I think the guys close to reaching "bust" status. If we are going to blow out players to retool/rebuild, then get it right. The ideas here have been Jbo for Couturier, are you saying Jbo for Colbourne? I sure as hell hope not.
- TandA4Flames

Most certainly not. I was thinking Kipper + for MacArthur (salary), Colbourne, Scrivens and a 2nd.

Pherhaps, but he won't do that. 0% chance Iginlia extends with any team prior to hitting UFA, other than the Flames.
- s0rcerer1984

I think that depends on the team, and how far they go in the playoffs. If he fits in super well with a team and they lose in game 7 of conference finals or the Cup finals, I could see him signing a 1 year extension before UFA.

Blues are unlikely to give up their young, RH puck moving guys... Petro and Shatty both have Norris Trophy level career potential. Polak could be moved in the right deal, but he is more of a defensive guy than offensive, and I imagine Blues value him more highly than most other teams would. Blues depth they can trade from is in the wings. If Flames look good on the left, we have on the right side: Oshie is a fan favorite, and Tarasenko was too impressive before getting injured to let go of without seeing more of to establish his real value. That leaves Stewart, a big, power forward good for 30ish goals a year, and D'agostini, a cheap forward good for 20ish goals when he gets decent minutes. Rattie is a blue chip prospect we have on the right side, looks like a top 6 forward in the making. I think Stewart and Rattie both have very high trade value... there aren't many big, 30 goal, power forwards in the league, and Rattie is looking better and better as a prospect. D'agostini is more of a solid second line player on some teams, third on other teams, but produces well for his cap number & salary.
- Antilles

We already have Stempniak who, quite honestly, has better looking #'s. I would certainly be interested in Perron and Stewart, it just doesn't fill our #1 need.

Perfectly understandable posistion.

If that is the case, i doubt the Penguins would pay it. Glencross looks like an ideal player for the Pens system & is younger at 30 than either Kunitz or Dupuis at 33, but Shero values his Dman and has talked about how much he values RFA years in the past.

In short, 5 or 6 yrs of financial control for Despres/Morrow (ie, entry level deal + RFA] would be a tough sell for only two guarenteed years of Glenncross. Would the Flames have any interest in Niskanen? He's 26yrs old & has improved from his Dallas days. Not a #1/2 Dman, but a solid offensive #3/4-ish Dman w/ another year left on his deal.


- s0rcerer1984[Kennedy + Niskanen + 1st] <--> [Comeau + Glenncross]. Once again, not sure Pitt. would do this as Shero loves his D depth, but its the kind of deal that is more likely than one for Iginlia.

I would consider that, it could open up a possiblilty to move Jbo for more of what we need. Does Niskanen have any physicality to his game?

Nuf said. I now know not believe another word that comes out of your mouth.
- whipper334

becasue i said hes overrated?

I would consider that, it could open up a possiblilty to move Jbo for more of what we need. Does Niskanen have any physicality to his game?
- TandA4Flames

I wouldn't consider it, I'd sign up right away.
Too good to be true, don't see Pitt doing that.
Love GlenX, but not that much.

We already have Stempniak who, quite honestly, has better looking #'s. I would certainly be interested in Perron and Stewart, it just doesn't fill our #1 need.
- TandA4Flames

D'agostini and Stempniak are very comparable players. You'll basically get the same production out of either of them if they get the same number of minutes. Dags is just cheaper and younger.

I think that depends on the team, and how far they go in the playoffs. If he fits in super well with a team and they lose in game 7 of conference finals or the Cup finals, I could see him signing a 1 year extension before UFA.
- Antilles

I agree. At this point Iggy is not looking at $$ but more at the chance for a cup. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he would still want to get paid but he is loyal to a fault.

I think that depends on the team, and how far they go in the playoffs. If he fits in super well with a team and they lose in game 7 of conference finals or the Cup finals, I could see him signing a 1 year extension before UFA.
- Antilles

In order to justify trading a premium for him, however, he'd have to re-sign prior to the trade. Can't see that happending.

D'agostini and Stempniak are very comparable players. You'll basically get the same production out of either of them if they get the same number of minutes. Dags is just cheaper and younger.
- Antilles

Except he is a RFA this summer. He isn't that much cheaper than Stempniak.

I would consider that, it could open up a possiblilty to move Jbo for more of what we need. Does Niskanen have any physicality to his game?
- TandA4Flames

I believe he came from the Dallas organization and if so he's not physical.