apparently enough to get consideration every year.
- prock

Bushkorn doesn't count.

Hamhuis is as good as we have ever had sadly. Jeff Brown may have been a #1, same for Lidster
- Bieksa#3

Hamhuis is a solid d man, but not a true number 1. I thought maybe Jovo in his prime, but even he wasn't true number 1. I also realize there are only a few true #1 dmen in the league and are hard to come by. I like STL pair of Shattenkirk and Pietriangelo (however you spell it).

4 points. Total. His entire career. Mark Streit had 15 points last year.

"gets consideration every year"?
- prock

Good for Streit. He got consideration, too

Ross was amazing
One of my fav raptors
Hopefully he becomes bigger then T mac and VC
- RF_4eva

I did like the dunk over the painting of him dunking over a painting, but the pair of dunks Ross did was pretty spectacular.

Now that Edler is under contract why would you trade a established D-man who consistently in the top 5 for Norris consideration for a guy who has potential based on his rookie year?
- bloatedmosquito

Sounds like Oilers contracts

Horcoff would give him a run for his money.
- sanfordnson

Lots of close guys
Komi
Wiz
Connolly
Ballard
Blacker
Bryz

To name a few
But Neon wins

I did like the dunk over the painting of him dunking over a painting, but the pair of dunks Ross did was pretty spectacular.
- immature_male

What sucks is that he has to wait before he can get a starting job with derozan in there...

Sounds like Oilers contracts
- VANTEL

Hall plays like raymond but with the potential of gretzky so thats a steal of a contract

Hamhuis is a solid d man, but not a true number 1. I thought maybe Jovo in his prime, but even he wasn't true number 1. I also realize there are only a few true #1 dmen in the league and are hard to come by. I like STL pair of Shattenkirk and Pietriangelo (however you spell it).
- immature_male

Here's the deal, there has to be close to 30#1 d men. If not your ranking system needs updating

Here's the deal, there has to be close to 30#1 d men. If not your ranking system needs updating
- Bieksa#3

Yup. There's a difference between a #1 D and a franchise D.

There aren't a lot of franchise D. Maybe 3 or 4 in the league.

Here's the deal, there has to be close to 30#1 d men. If not your ranking system needs updating
- Bieksa#3

I guess I can't argue that every team has a #1 d, so there would be 30 of them. The point of franchise d man is more accurate to what I was trying to say.

Yup. There's a difference between a #1 D and a franchise D.

There aren't a lot of franchise D. Maybe 3 or 4 in the league.
- Fosco

Exactly. I believe we have at least 2 of the best 30 d men in the league. Bieksa is close

Yup. There's a difference between a #1 D and a franchise D.

There aren't a lot of franchise D. Maybe 3 or 4 in the league.
- Fosco

Who would you list as franchise?

Weber, Chara, Karlsson, Lidstrom if he wants to unretire?

Sounds like Oilers contracts
- VANTEL

Yeah. Hate having guys like Hall and Eberle long term. They've been crap just pure crap.

I guess I can't argue that every team has a #1 d, so there would be 30 of them. The point of franchise d man is more accurate to what I was trying to say.
- immature_male

No every team doesn't have one. However with 30 teams there should be 30 d men who if devided or mock drafted would be #1.
Edler and Hamhuis are both without question in the top 30. And Bieksa is awful close

Lots of close guys
Komi
Wiz
Connolly
Ballard
Blacker
Bryz

To name a few
But Neon wins
- Bieksa#3

Ballard and Garrison. $8M+ for two guys that belong int he AHL.

No every team doesn't have one. However with 30 teams there should be 30 d men who if devided or mock drafted would be #1.
Edler and Hamhuis are both without question in the top 30. And Bieksa is awful close
- Bieksa#3

Edler has not looked great this year. Starting to look better. Every d is also only as good as his partner, and bieksa and hamhuis are great together, would put them in top 10 for d pairs in the league.

4 points. Total. His entire career. Mark Streit had 15 points last year.

"gets consideration every year"?
- prock

But we have Cam Barker.

Ballard and Garrison. $8M+ for two guys that belong int he AHL.
- prock

Ballard has looked good with Tanev this year.

But we have Cam Barker.
- Marwood

BOOM

Who would you list as franchise?

Weber, Chara, Karlsson, Lidstrom if he wants to unretire?
- immature_male

Yup. That would be my list. Karlsson is only by virtue of his offense, but I think he'll continue to improve defensively.

Who would you list as franchise?

Weber, Chara, Karlsson, Lidstrom if he wants to unretire?
- immature_male

That sound about right. Add Gardiner and Blacker to your list With Petrangelo, Keith and Doughty awful close to being franchise

Hamhuis is as good as we have ever had sadly. Jeff Brown may have been a #1, same for Lidster
- Bieksa#3

What about Dana Murzyn?

Edler has not looked great this year. Starting to look better. Every d is also only as good as his partner, and bieksa and hamhuis are great together, would put them in top 10 for d pairs in the league.
- immature_male

Edler has looked great offensively. It's not like he was the only Canuck D struggling the first few games, and he wasn't the worst, either.

He's looked solid of late.

That sound about right. Add Gardiner and Blacker to your list With Petrangelo, Keith and Doughty awful close to being franchise
- Bieksa#3

I thought all TO d men were franchise and everyone knew that so i did not have to include them.