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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
Why would he veto a legit chance to win a Cup with a contending team? Maybe he would, but he seems to me like a guy who wants to win.
- PLindbergh31


Probably doesn't want to be separated from his family. His kids have always been cited as a reason he wanted the NMC.
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
Timonen also has a NMC, so he could have veto'd any trade.
- Jsaquella


Why would he do that. Well, unless he is going to Columbus LOL.

Time to tank and stockpile those picks
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
Good question. Probably hurts it somewhat. Not sure there would be a lot of suitors for him at a 38 years old at 6 million dollar cap hit.
- PLindbergh31


I'm totally ignorant of the number. Is that what he was signed for for next year?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
I want this team to stay the course but that's impossible when you have Ed Snider as the owner.
- KGBflyers10


Can't blame the guy for wanting to win.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
I'm totally ignorant of the number. Is that what he was signed for for next year?
- GoFlyersGoSlovakia


Yes
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
Probably doesn't want to be separated from his family. His kids have always been cited as a reason he wanted the NMC.
- Jsaquella


Staying here will also keep him separated from the Cup.
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:38 PM ET
Yes
- PLindbergh31


Homer is a (frank)ing moron. Clearly paying for past performance. Or he will retire, keep the $$$. There is a cap hit on that too, though, right?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:38 PM ET
Yeah... Refusing to move them for weber might have been a mistake in hindsight.... And i was in the 'dont do it, call their bluff' camp. I think its a mistake if homer digs in stubbornly and says 'well we wouldn't trade them for weber so why would we trade them for someone else.". Fact is we will not get weber anytime soon .... So who can we get instead? Subban, Yandle, OEL, Pietrangelo...

We are so deep at center it makes one of schenn or coots tradable. Holding onto both will get us in trouble down the road (like staal with Pitt's 3 centers - eventually schenn and coots will both want more minutes and to get that big payday)

- moylander


I wouldn't have moved both for Weber, along with the rumored number one pick.

I'm not closed minded to trading one or the other for a top defenseman, but I doubt the ones I'd be good with moving them for are available.

I wouldn't trade Couturier for Subban or Yandle. I'd probably be OK with moving Schenn for one or the other. I doubt St Louis or Phoenix would consider trading Pietrangelo or OEL for Couturier right now, either.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
Staying here will also keep him separated from the Cup.
- GoFlyersGoSlovakia


Not necessarily. People seem to forget that Carter and Richards both struggled mightily during their second NHL seasons, and the team went to the ECF the next year.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:40 PM ET
Homer is a (frank)ing moron. Clearly paying for past performance. Or he will retire, keep the $$$. There is a cap hit on that too, though, right?
- GoFlyersGoSlovakia


It's a little higher number than most would like. I'm more concerned with his level of play than the cap hit. He looks like he's starting to decline. He hasn't played very well this year.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
I wouldn't have moved both for Weber, along with the rumored number one pick.

I'm not closed minded to trading one or the other for a top defenseman, but I doubt the ones I'd be good with moving them for are available.

I wouldn't trade Couturier for Subban or Yandle. I'd probably be OK with moving Schenn for one or the other. I doubt St Louis or Phoenix would consider trading Pietrangelo or OEL for Couturier right now, either.

- Jsaquella


Agree with this assessment (although I do like PKs speed and athleticism, even for coots).

Between coots and schenn I think I like schenn better for lavy's system. IMO he is faster and more physical than coots. I see getting more offense out of schenn..... But the smarter more disciplined all around game from coots. By comparison If we were the devils then coots would be the better player for the system.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Feb 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
briere's looking like a sure buyout right now, huh? good guy, i'd miss him, but...
- isaiah520



Everyone should relax and not hit the panic button just yet. Once Hartnell and Mez return, things will look very different IMO, well...I hope. I don't think a coaching change, a big trade involving Couts or Read or talking about buyouts is realistic until the team plays 5-6 games with everyone valuable in the lineup.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
Homer is a (frank)ing moron. Clearly paying for past performance. Or he will retire, keep the $$$. There is a cap hit on that too, though, right?
- GoFlyersGoSlovakia


No, its a one year deal. If Timonen retires, it comes off the cap & he also doesn't get paid.

Unfortunately, with the way the FA market is, Timonen at 1 year $6mm will probably be a good move. I could see somebody giving 3 years to Streit at $6mm or 5 years to Hainsey at $5.5mm or something like that....it'd be horrible if the Flyers did that.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
Anthony Stolarz saved all 13 shots he faced in the 1st period
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
Agree with this assessment (although I do like PKs speed and athleticism, even for coots).

Between coots and schenn I think I like schenn better for lavy's system. IMO he is faster and more physical than coots. I see getting more offense out of schenn..... But the smarter more disciplined all around game from coots. By comparison If we were the devils then coots would be the better player for the system.

- moylander


I think in a few years, Couturier could be a 25 goal scorer, with 60 points and be a Selke finalist. Every system needs that kind of guy
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:49 PM ET
Everyone should relax and not hit the panic button just yet. Once Hartnell and Mez return, things will look very different IMO, well...I hope. I don't think a coaching change, a big trade involving Couts or Read or talking about buyouts is realistic until the team plays 5-6 games with everyone valuable in the lineup.
- Chris48


I buy that the team should improve when Meszaros and Hartnell return. The thing is, if you are talking about this year the Flyers barring going on a winning streak before these guys return will probably be buried in the standings.

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 17 @ 2:49 PM ET
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1432495-nhl-draft-2013-breaking-down-what-nathan-mckinnon-can-offer-an-nhl-team
- griouxmvp2012

he's 16? holy poop? seth jones or him go go homer tank tank
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 17 @ 2:49 PM ET
I buy that the team should improve when Meszaros and Hartnell return. The thing is, if you are talking about this year the Flyers barring going on a winning streak before these guys return will probably be buried in the standings.
- PLindbergh31


There's word that they could be ready by Wednesday.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:51 PM ET
There's word that they could be ready by Wednesday.
- Jsaquella


Really? I hadn't heard that. Tomorrow's game isn't going to be easy. Fishsticks are coming off wins vs. the Rags, and Devils.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 17 @ 2:51 PM ET
he's 16? holy poop? seth jones or him go go homer tank tank
- 2Real


No he is 17

http://www.halifaxmoosehe...ds.ca/roster/show/id/8533
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
No he is 17

http://www.halifaxmoosehe...ds.ca/roster/show/id/8533

- ob18

ah old article but still damn that's good
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Feb 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
I buy that the team should improve when Meszaros and Hartnell return. The thing is, if you are talking about this year the Flyers barring going on a winning streak before these guys return will probably be buried in the standings.
- PLindbergh31



I think Hartnell is good to go this week (Wed.) and Mez not too far behind. We win 4 out of 6 and we're probably tied for 7/8th seed.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Feb 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
I think in a few years, Couturier could be a 25 goal scorer, with 60 points and be a Selke finalist. Every system needs that kind of guy
- Jsaquella


No doubt. Just wish he was faster and more physical (especially with his size). He's still young though. I still prefer schenn over coots if lavy were to remain the coach for the foreseeable future... But its splitting hairs since they both will be very good in their primes.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 2:53 PM ET
I think Hartnell is good to go this week (Wed.) and Mez not too far behind. We win 4 out of 6 and we're probably tied for 7/8th seed.
- Chris48


Don't forget every team has games in hand.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Feb 17 @ 2:55 PM ET
Don't forget every team has games in hand.
- PLindbergh31



Yep .....
I'm trying to be positive and your killing my hopes and dreams !!!!!
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