They would do that in a minute...too funny.
- TrueGrit

Here's a question and Im kind of on yoour side here True, If Leddy and Saad get you Iginla, wouldnt that be a deal that the Hawks could make for a younger more long term useful player?

Agreed. We also saw last year in the playoffs that when the top 4 are held in check (hossa, kane, sharp, Toews) this team had problems scoring. Adding Iginla only helps to remedy that.

Its going to take a top notch NHL young stud, a high pick, and probably a mid-high prospect for Feaster to do it. I don't think Iginla's is a wiener like Nash was, to put Feaster in a position to move him or else, and lets not also forget that Iginla will be a UFA 7/1 so does Feaster risk losing him for nothing in a few months?

Who's to say Iginla wouldn't resign here? A 2-3 year deal, with a chance to win cups is what a veteran in his twilight is looking for.

This is a move, not likely, that shows a firm commitment to winning. Any fan who cries over Saad being dealt for iginla....
- SteveRain

Your team could not score on the power play last year, that was the problem. You got goals from the bottom.

BTW, Calgary does not take Saad for Iginla, that is what the point is. It is not crying over Saad, but the paying of a ransom to get a rental. Saad plus Leddy you had listed. And it would take something like this.

Last night, Iggy beat the crap out of the only NHL player ever from France. It's the only time he has shown a pulse this year. Now if you got him for the balance of this year instead of Neil I could start to think about giving something good in return.
- RickJ

if there is one thing Rick hates more than Canadian Frenchmen, it's ACTUAL Frenchmen.

Your team could not score on the power play last year, that was the problem. You got goals from the bottom.

BTW, Calgary does not take Saad for Iginla, that is what the point is. It is not crying over Saad, but the paying of a ransom to get a rental. Saad plus Leddy you had listed. And it would take something like this.
- TrueGrit

Not so sure you're right there. Saad plus a pick could get that done. Saad's value is at an all-time high. it is also possible—possible, mind you—it might not be this high a couple of years from now.

I'm not arguing for dealing him or dealing him for Iginla. Just saying, there are subtleties and wrinkles here that scouts and GMs know that a lot of fans don't.

Here's a question and Im kind of on yoour side here True, If Leddy and Saad get you Iginla, wouldnt that be a deal that the Hawks could make for a younger more long term useful player?
- nickmo2699

And why would someone necessarily be looking to deal that player? Contract? Rebuild? Who is it?

Leddy and Saad, IMO and BTW, would definitely get you Iginla.

Frolik has been great this season....especially w Kruger on the penalty kill. I don't think he has been a waste of a roster space this season....not saying I wouldn't trade him for the right piece...but I personally think what has made the Hawks so great this season has been the emergence and the depth of their 3rd & 4th lines...

Would it be a bad idea to move Patrick Sharp to the third line, and put up Stahlberg with Bolland/Kane? ...Am I crazy to think that maybe the Hawks should start to look for offers for Patrick Sharp? Don't get me wrong...I have loved him as a Hawk....but with the salary cap going down next season, it seems somebody is going to have to go? Maybe I am a fool...but I could see a nice return for #10...

GO HAWKS!
- frafra

Re: Frolik. I think there are lots of guys in tbe nhl that hustle like frolik but at some point you have to produce results and he's not... For instance in over 100 games as a hawk and has produced only 22 points, 2 this year in 13 games. That roster spot he is holding (and cap space he's using up) is taking away from either a guy from Rockford getting nhl experience or a FA that will hustle AND produce. Is frolik on the roster worth the opportunity cost? I think no. Jmo.

So add something else to a package to get one from Ottawa or move an asset elsewhere. Acquiring the necessary draft picks should not be a difficult task.
- fattybeef

We have to acquire our 2nd and 3rd picks back, not just any 2nd and 3rd pick. That won't be so easy.

Last night, Iggy beat the crap out of the only NHL player ever from France. It's the only time he has shown a pulse this year. Now if you got him for the balance of this year instead of Neil I could start to think about giving something good in return.
- RickJ

Phillipe Bozon.... Chamonix, France
144 games with St. Louis in the early 90's

They are well under. Rusty and Montador are on LTIR = 5 million

Stalberg goes or frolik or any other 2 lower line player = 1.5 in space at a minimum.

5+1.5+3.2 = enough space for Neil and O'Reilly
- fattybeef

Okay - let's do some math here -

Olecz's cap hit is $2.25M if he stays burried in the minors under the new CBA (NHL Cap hit minus AHL salary) - to assume LTIR next season is foolish. But, for the sake of argument, let's say they use the amnesty buyout on him.

Montador is another curious case - I will concede that he's likely to remain on LTIR, retire, or be subject to an amnesty buyout this summer. So there's your minus $2.75M.


At this point, given the current roster, pending UFA's and RFA's, the team is at $54,397,462, and has the following breakdown:

Saad Toews Hossa
Sharp Bolland Kane
Caricillo Shaw _____
Bollig ____ Frolik

Keith Seabrook
Oduya Hjalmarsson
______ Brookbank

Crawford
_______


Hense, you have just about $9.9M to fill four "dressed" roster spots (including a back-up goalie), and up to three "scratched" roster spots.

That's $9.9 for 7 players.



Now factor in that Leddy and Kruger both need re-ups. I'll place a solid wager that both of them average a $2M deal (I'm guessing Kruger could be had cheaper than Leddy, maybe a $1.8M for Kruger, 2.2 for Leddy - and that's being conservative, IMO).

So the team has $9.9M to fill seven roster spots. Let's then say $4M of that is eaten up by Leddy and Kruger. Now, we are left with $5.9M to fill five roster spots.

Now let's say we move a lower line forward's deal (Let's be ambitous and say that someone takes Frolik's bloated $2.33M hit for no salary coming back). Getting a little better - we now have $8.31M to fill six roster spots.

That averages out to be $1.385 per player. Here's the roster now:


Saad Toews Hossa
Sharp Bollad Kane
____ Shaw _____
Bollig Kruger Carcillo

Seabrook Keith
Oduya Hjalamarsson
Leddy Brookbank


Crawford



So we're still left without two bottom six forwards, a back-up goalie, and three scratched roster spots, including the coveted quality depth defenseman, and three "scratch" guys, all who must average of $1.3M to fill each of those spots.

See where I'm going with this? Let's say O'Reilly is signed at a conservative $4M. That brings the total team cap room down to $4.3M, with five players left to sign. That' brings the space down to about $862K per player.


Unless they move a significant piece (like Bolland for instance), AND a lot of other variables fall into place (namely someone agreeing to take all of Frolik's deal)- there's no way the 'Hawks can fit O'Reilly into the fold.

My underlying point, Wish for O'Reilly in one hand, crap in the other...

if there is one thing Rick hates more than Canadian Frenchmen, it's ACTUAL Frenchmen.
- John Jaeckel

OK, cheif. You keep on ripping everyone from your Flrodia recliner, and watch when Iggy lands in Pittsburgh and terrorizes the EAST with Crosby feeding him saucers all day long.

I forgot, you are the LONE expert on this board.

That is a legitimate trade that should be considered, and a price you are going to have to pay to acquire him.

What has Leddy and Saad accomplished so far in their NHL careers? Remind me again?

The object is to win cups....NOT pimp prospects all day. I'd keep Leddy over Saad if it came to it.
- SteveRain

That's better for me too. The 'Hawks have plenty of chips with which to deal from the minors to make this happen given Iggy being an UFA this summer. Leddy is stabilized now with the 3rd pairing, no need to disrupt that.

If it takes Saad & another fairly hyped prospect I'd like to see that happen too. Unfortunately McD's ego is going to trump what SB may like to do; or so I fear.

Player + Prospect to Ottawa = Neil + 2nd coming back. Hawks offersheet O'Reilly for 4.6-5 million per year give up picks 1, 2, 3. Have two fully functional face off winning top lines. A reliable hard hitting veteran presence and become very very difficult to play against.

Not difficult.
- fattybeef

Except our conversation was clearly about only the Neil for Stalberg deal. To assume all those moves fall into place may not be difficult, but it certianly is illogical.

Phillipe Bozon.... Chamonix, France
144 games with St. Louis in the early 90's
- philco28

Did either of the Treille brothers ever make an NHL appearance? And then there's Huet.

My WTF moment of the day.

YOU HAVE THE MOST TOP END TALENT IN THE LEAGUE ON TOP TWO LINES. THEY ARE NOT HE PROBLEM.

Good Lord. Deal may or may not happen, but this deal is giving us a good illustration as to what the team really needs.

If you are Ottawa, you lose Alfredson next year anyways, now you add some top end top 6 talent. Where else do you get that? And for them, they have to pay a price.

BTW, my hunch is as the Sens fall, Alfredson ends up in Vancouver.
- TrueGrit

TG -

You're missing the context of my post - previous post by FB had stated that a Stalberg for Neil Deal "fixed the first the first or second line. I was simply inquring as to how, not stating that the lines needed fixing.

The previous post was my WTF moment of the day.

That's better for me too. The 'Hawks have plenty of chips with which to deal from the minors to make this happen given Iggy being an UFA this summer. Leddy is stabilized now with the 3rd pairing, no need to disrupt that.

If it takes Saad & another fairly hyped prospect I'd like to see that happen too. Unfortunately McD's ego is going to trump what SB may like to do; or so I fear.
- blackhawk24

Actually, I could see McD pushing for or at least approving an overpay for a marquee guy who potentially stacks the deck for a Cup run.

It reminds me of something George Brett told SI in 1984 about the then Western Division champ White Sox, something along the lines of "I hope they think Ron Kittle is the next Ted Williams."

Point being that all the talk and hype about Saad could be pumping his value for other teams. Not to diss him either. But I still say he is sort of a "project" at this point. And I don't believe his upside is so high that they shouldn't consider dealing him. I think he looks like a guy who can end up being a pretty good 2nd line winger in the league. But that should not mean "untouchable."

If they have pumped his value beyond what he really might end up being—that would be masterful work.

Iginla has one goal and has had his "compete level" called out in the press. He's not the monster power forward he once was, but he could still help. He was largely unnoticable in the game against the Flames despite that being arguably Calgary's best performance of the year.

I am sure if he got moved to a contender he would likely get a jolt and be a lot more engaged. He's been a slow starter, so at this point you are rolling the dice on it being just a slow start on a bad team or the first sign of a real decline by an older, beat up body.

if there is one thing Rick hates more than Canadian Frenchmen, it's ACTUAL Frenchmen.
- John Jaeckel

The guys name is Antoine Roussel and to make matters worse he is a Frenchman who then took out Canadian citizenship after playing junior in Quebec. That is just one horrible story for a guy like me. Maybe thats why Iggy laid a beating on him.

And you are too sharp for me - forgot about Huet and a few other guys going back - defenceman for St.Louis back 15 years or so comes to mind.

if there is one thing Rick hates more than Canadian Frenchmen, it's ACTUAL Frenchmen.
- John Jaeckel

The guys name is Antoine Roussel and to make matters worse he is a Frenchman who then took out Canadian citizenship after playing junior in Quebec. That is just one horrible story for a guy like me. Maybe thats why Iggy laid a beating on him.

And you are too sharp for me - forgot about Huet and a few other guys going back - defenceman for St.Louis back 15 years or so comes to mind.

The guys name is Antoine Roussel and to make matters worse he is a Frenchman who then took out Canadian citizenship after playing junior in Quebec. That is just one horrible story for a guy like me. Maybe thats why Iggy laid a beating on him.

And you are too sharp for me - forgot about Huet and a few other guys going back - defenceman for St.Louis back 15 years or so comes to mind.
- RickJ

Actually, wasn't Roussel with the Wolves this summer? Heard he looked pretty good in camp with Vancouver, actually.

And the all time Heavyweight champ in Beating Up Euros at the end of their shifts is . . . hands down . . . wait for it . . . Big Bad Kevin Bieksa.

Last night, Iggy beat the crap out of the only NHL player ever from France. It's the only time he has shown a pulse this year. Now if you got him for the balance of this year instead of Neil I could start to think about giving something good in return.
- RickJ

How easily we forget the "great" Cristobal Huet.

EDIT: Just saw JJ's retort. 2 minutes for piling on..

That's better for me too. The 'Hawks have plenty of chips with which to deal from the minors to make this happen given Iggy being an UFA this summer. Leddy is stabilized now with the 3rd pairing, no need to disrupt that.

If it takes Saad & another fairly hyped prospect I'd like to see that happen too. Unfortunately McD's ego is going to trump what SB may like to do; or so I fear.
- blackhawk24

Agreed.

This is all down the road, but this is a guy the Hawks brass should be keeping an eye on. All signs point to hm being available. Will he be dealt? Probably, but again, it's going to take a lot to land him.

I'm sorry you don't pass on a guy like Iginla. How many legit players does Calgary even have on their roster now? Mike Cammileri? Think Iginla couldn't be productive on a line with Toews/Hossa or Kane/Sharp? Isn't Iginla a....wait for it...PROVEN POWER FORWARD!?!

My god...the guy has scored 30 goals in how many years in a row? You think a Toews, Kane, Sharp, or Hossa would be terrorizing the league playing with the crap in Calgary right now?

It will take a lot, and Bowman needs to keep tabs on this, and be aggressive. You missed on Brodeur, Suter, and Parise...all guys they ADMITTED to making offers to. You aren't going to be in cap hell because Iginla isn't signed past 2013 season. So again...are you better TODAY with Iginla over Saad or Iginla over Leddy. Forget the prospects because what guy down there is the 2nd coming of christ? I don't see one, and honestly if they had one....he'd be up here right now, getting his sack tickled by Foley and Eddie O. Better yet is Saad part of your core moving forward?

I'll take PROVEN talent over HYPED talent ALL. DAY. LONG.

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Kassian cleared Waivers.

Actually, wasn't Roussel with the Wolves this summer? Heard he looked pretty good in camp with Vancouver, actually.

And the all time Heavyweight champ in Beating Up Euros at the end of their shifts is . . . hands down . . . wait for it . . . Big Bad Kevin Bieksa.

- John Jaeckel

Chris Kuc‏@ChrisKuc

Daniel Carcillo is practicing with #Blackhawks teammates.

Darren Dreger‏@DarrenDreger

Kassian cleared Waivers.
- Sconnie

Hmmmm