you made me look it up b/c I forgot what he was paid. he's their highest paid dman holy smokes! Not sure he's worth that much either.
- JoeRussomanno

like it or not, those are the prices for top-minute, top-pairing defensemen.

if you're not willing to pay, well, you see what's on the ice.

When does the Flyers inability to put together a 60 minute effort land on the coaches shoulders?? I think it may be time to ask: Has this team tuned Lavy out?
- BiggE

This read off in my head in a smug sports radio host voice

my sentiments exactly. having subtracted forwards from this lineup, i would have wanted homer to expand the deal to bring back another forward w/ some kind of scoring potential - like kadri- to give us another asset. maybe JVR and a 2nd or 3rd for schenn and kadri. not that i'm in love w/ kadri, but from a value standpoint.
- isaiah520

lol that would've been nice. kadri's a very good young player.

When does the Flyers inability to put together a 60 minute effort land on the coaches shoulders?? I think it may be time to ask: Has this team tuned Lavy out?
- BiggE

If they fall down on this road trip, I think you'll see it land on Lavvy's door step.

We can debate the fairness of that all day, but it's how things work in sports, unfortunately.

*has no real desire to debate the fairness of it all*

So you'd take Tom Sestito over Brayden Schenn or Wayne Simmonds? Because he's 6'5" and 230. Talent is a factor, too.

Biggest difference up front is the loss of JvR and Jagr. I'll agree both were bigger player, but neither crashed the net with any regularity, either. If the Flyers had crashed the net last night, regardless of their perceived lack of size, they would have had a better chance for success.
- Jsaquella

go to the net and good things happen, it's not a big secret. The leafs did it all night, the flyers didn't and the score was ....

I was there. My observation: The Flyers were never in the games. Detroit was big, fast and skilled. The Flyers might have been bigger but they looked slow. Lindros was next to invisible. At times it looked liked the Wings were toying with the Flyers.
- 2731color

I was there too, and I disagree to some extent. The Flyers goalies gave up at least one soft goal, often horribly soft, in each of the first 3 games. That will deflate any team.

I'm not saying that if they got better goaltending, they would have won the series, but at least it would have been much more competitive.

Harry Z's up. No sweat.
- Jsaquella

really? interesting, i was thinking he had made the perma-pooplist

like it or not, those are the prices for top-minute, top-pairing defensemen.

if you're not willing to pay, well, you see what's on the ice.
- bradleyc4

you got a point there.

I agree.. but the back up plan, or lack thereof, is what has me disappointed. I cant fault the guy for going big to get his players, but he went from Suter, Parise, and Weber to Foster, Gervais and Feds.
- jak521

The problem is, how often have the Flyers had to go to plan c? Obviously Plan A was Suter. then plan B was Weber. When Holmgren has targeted a player in the past, he's generally landed him.

Honestly, the biggest error he made was last year prior to the end o the season. If he didn't re-sign Grossmann, he could have probably had Carle for under $5mm per

All this jvr talk is predictable. He was always the better player in the deal, which is why some would suggest we didn't get enough...we didn't. Others might suggest jvr wasn't good last season. Those fans would be wrong. He started strong, got hurt, was in and out of the line up due to injury, played hurt. This might turn out to be one of the worst trades in flyers history. Yep, I said it.

LOUD NOISES!!!


- johndewar

Hate to pile on Lindros b/c I really did love him as a player, but I think that since he was the captain that kind of was taken as a shot across his bow. I didn't have a problem either, people get so mad when a question is asked and an actual answer not a pre-meditated one is given. Detroit was literally suffocating the flyers ala a choking situation, yes.
- JoeRussomanno

I was so sure they were winning the cup that yr. I was at game 1 and after the game I knew they were in trouble. I'm not usually so pessimistic after one loss but man, I just knew

There wasn't much left. Plan A was Suter, Plan B Weber, Plan C Carle, all of which fell through. He could've signed Colaiacovo but that dude is made of glass. Homer struck out swinging, not looking. It happens.
- NickTheKid87

Oh i know it happens.. I understand that aspect of the GM's job. I just think he totally misread the market. Let me ask a question. Who would make more sense to sign, IN SEASON. Carle or Grossmann?

All this jvr talk is predictable. He was always the better player in the deal, which is why some would suggest we didn't get enough...we didn't. Others might suggest jvr wasn't good last season. Those fans would be wrong. He started strong, got hurt, was in and out of the line up due to injury, played hurt. This might turn out to be one of the worst trades in flyers history. Yep, I said it.
- SuperSchennBros

Way too early to tell.

Making a panic move for offense would be a big mistake. The team is still very talented up front, despite the injuries.

Shooting at only 6.3% at even-strength is very unlucky and not going to win you many games. Let regression toward the mean take its course and watch this team start scoring more goals and winning more games.
- bradleyc4

hahaha you so crazy

The problem is, how often have the Flyers had to go to plan c? Obviously Plan A was Suter. then plan B was Weber. When Holmgren has targeted a player in the past, he's generally landed him.

Honestly, the biggest error he made was last year prior to the end o the season. If he didn't re-sign Grossmann, he could have probably had Carle for under $5mm per
- Jsaquella

Damn you Jsaq.. I literally just posted that!

I was so sure they were winning the cup that yr. I was at game 1 and after the game I knew they were in trouble. I'm not usually so pessimistic after one loss but man, I just knew
- nastyflyergirl

The truth is, in hind sight, that '97 team was lucky to make the finals.

They were a one-line team, plus Rod Brind'Amour.

I was so sure they were winning the cup that yr. I was at game 1 and after the game I knew they were in trouble. I'm not usually so pessimistic after one loss but man, I just knew
- nastyflyergirl

you know another thing people forget is Murray emphasized the forecheck not being what it should have and the Flyers seemed to back off a bit out of fear for being burnt back the other way. Which also led to his choking comment, but he was right and when someone is right... oh never mind

I honestly think they were convinced that Carle was coming back for less than $5 million.
- NickTheKid87

i believe they were convinced, handshake deal.... then boom carle gets hit by lightning.

So having size isn't the end all then, which is what my point was. Size is good but if you understand the dynamics of leverage and coordination, then size can be nullified. It comes down to individual skill, team cohesion and desire imo anyway. But if people want to go on a size kick like we did in the 90's be my guest.
- JoeRussomanno

I agree size isn't the end all. Hey, I remember the New York Smurffs beating a bigger and favored Flyers team back in the early 80's. As for the current Flyers, wanting a little more beef up front isn't a size kick, it's just better balance.

really? interesting, i was thinking he had made the perma-pooplist
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Outside of Wellwood, there's not a ton of candidates, and Harry's played well for the Phantoms, even wearing an A

So you'd take Tom Sestito over Brayden Schenn or Wayne Simmonds? Because he's 6'5" and 230. Talent is a factor, too.

Biggest difference up front is the loss of JvR and Jagr. I'll agree both were bigger player, but neither crashed the net with any regularity, either. If the Flyers had crashed the net last night, regardless of their perceived lack of size, they would have had a better chance for success.
- Jsaquella

You are missing my point, if the choice is between 2 relatively equally skilled players who both play hard, I would prefer the bigger guy. I'm not asking for major changes, I just think they could use one more legitimate top 6 power forward with size.

Oh i know it happens.. I understand that aspect of the GM's job. I just think he totally misread the market. Let me ask a question. Who would make more sense to sign, IN SEASON. Carle or Grossmann?
- jak521

Carle for sure, which leads me to believe that the management MUST have reached out to him at some point. Maybe Matt's agent knew he could get a huge payday if he waited it out. Seems logical that they'd at least attempt to re-sign him in season. They have done it time and time again. But I'm making an inference.

like it or not, those are the prices for top-minute, top-pairing defensemen.

if you're not willing to pay, well, you see what's on the ice.
- bradleyc4

i don't know if one could say the flyers aren't willing to pay

You are missing my point, if the choice is between 2 relatively equally skilled players who both play hard, I would prefer the bigger guy. I'm not asking for major changes, I just think they could use one more legitimate top 6 power forward with size.
- BiggE

Maybe a big ginger who's known for falling down