Hall, Eberle, Hemsky and Yakupov off the top of my head. Yup. Definitely terrible awful wingers.

Do you ever just sit and read some of the things you write? Just because your team has been doing well doesn't mean you have to go insane.
- sanfordnson

Instead of listing those players and thinking they are already "Franchise" players, look how they're playing right now. No they are not as good as the Leafs.

There were 7 PPG players last season in the NHL. The Leafs had 2 of them. They were wingers I listed. JVR is currently second in goals. The Leafs wingers are proven.

Minnesota, Chicago? Really? And a big no to Edmonton.
- RogerRoeper

Clutterbuck, Parise, Heatley, Setoguchi... That's pretty good in my opinion for a start

Sharp, Kane, Hossa, Stalberg, Saad, Frolik... Umm, yes

HAll, Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, PRV, Smyth, ... Pretty damn good too

Never said it was better depth, but definitely in consideration

Clutterbuck, Parise, Heatley, Setoguchi... That's pretty good in my opinion for a start

Sharp, Kane, Hossa, Stalberg, Saad, Frolik... Umm, yes

HAll, Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, PRV, Smyth, ... Pretty damn good too

Never said it was better depth, but definitely in consideration
- mfreedman

What's so great about Saad and Stalberg? With Saad, you're buying into prospect hype. He's really nothing great right now.

And Ryan Smyth could not possibly looked more washed-up at this moment.

Instead of listing those players and thinking they are already "Franchise" players, look how they're playing right now. No they are not as good as the Leafs.

There were 7 PPG players last season in the NHL. The Leafs had 2 of them. They were wingers I listed. JVR is currently second in goals. The Leafs wingers are proven.
- RogerRoeper

Hall would lead the Leafs in scoring. Eberle isn't far behind and has definitely not had a strong start. There's isnt really anything to back up your claim of "best winger depth in the NHL" asides from your homerism.

It isn't even close who the biggest homer on this site is. Not even close.
- gretzky

Well, maybe if you watched hockey you'd be able to make knowledgeable comments.

Try it! After all, this is a hockey forum.

Hall would lead the Leafs in scoring. Eberle isn't far behind and has definitely not had a strong start. There's isnt really anything to back up your claim of "best winger depth in the NHL" asides from your homerism.
- sanfordnson

Kessel, Lupul(both ppg last season), JVR(11 goals on the year- more than any oiler, in fact even if you combined your top-2 goal scorers, they'd only have 1 more goal than him, Frattin(ppg thus far, would also lead the Oilers in goalscoring, despite only 10 games played), Kulemin(very strong defensive player)... those are 5 very good wingers. 3 guys who could safely play on top lines of most teams in the league.

And while the oilers are playing all-out attack hockey, the Leafs have a defense-first system.

Not saying we have the best winger depth, but it's pretty damn good.

The goaltending has been stelar, and the team is buying into the defensive system from top to bottom, while still being dangerous on the attack. First time in many years they look like a legit team.

What's so great about Saad and Stalberg? With Saad, you're buying into prospect hype. He's really nothing great right now.

And Ryan Smyth could not possibly looked more washed-up at this moment.
- RogerRoeper

Macarthur 2013:
3G 3A 0+/-

Smyth 2013:
2G 3A -1+/-

Not much difference...

Saad 2013:
3G 0A +2 +/-

Similar

Stalberg 2013:
4G 3A +3 +/-

Better than all.

last year Macarthur was outscored by Smyth and Stalberg, so yes I include both of them if you include Mac.

Macarthur 2013:
3G 3A 0+/-

Smyth 2013:
2G 3A -1+/-

Not much difference...

Saad 2013:
3G 0A +2 +/-

Similar

Stalberg 2013:
4G 3A +3 +/-

Better than all.

last year Macarthur was outscored by Smyth and Stalberg, so yes I include both of them if you include Mac.
- mfreedman

Mac sucks. Product of whatever line he's on. That being said, when healthy, our 3rd line will have Lupul and Frattin on it. Frattin's been point-per-game with third line minutes, and Lupul's going to get a lot of goals from Kadri's passing.

Mac sucks. Product of whatever line he's on. That being said, when healthy, our 3rd line will have Lupul and Frattin on it. Frattin's been point-per-game with third line minutes, and Lupul's going to get a lot of goals from Kadri's passing.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ok then, so our winger depth comes down to:

Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Frattin

Which imo is comparable to:

Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Stalberg

Which I was told wasn't even close. As well as:

Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov

Which I was also told shouldnt be included.

Ok then, so our winger depth comes down to:

Kessel, Lupul, JVR, Frattin

Which imo is comparable to:

Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Stalberg

Which I was told wasn't even close. As well as:

Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov

Which I was also told shouldnt be included.
- mfreedman

Komarov and Kulemin play the shut-down role beautifully, what do those teams have in terms of shut-down wingers?

The oiler group is going to be very good, agreed, but right now, I don't think any of them has ever met their goalie.

And yea, no debating that the Chicago group is very good. To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't think you can call the Leaf's wingers the best in the league, but it's a damn good bunch.

Komarov and Kulemin play the shut-down role beautifully, what do those teams have in terms of shut-down wingers?

The oiler group is going to be very good, agreed, but right now, I don't think any of them has ever met their goalie.

And yea, no debating that the Chicago group is very good. To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with you, I don't think you can call the Leaf's wingers the best in the league, but it's a damn good bunch.
- Feeling Glucky?

Haha, ok then look back on the argument (not with you)

I said that leafs are top 10 for sure, maybe top 5..

Roegereaper (sp) said that CHI and EDM didnt deserve to be in the top 10 list.

That's all I was arguing.

I do think that currently the overall group of wingers is better in TOR, but best in the league? That was ludicrous to just state without thinking it through.

Haha, ok then look back on the argument (not with you)

I said that leafs are top 10 for sure, maybe top 5..

Roegereaper (sp) said that CHI and EDM didnt deserve to be in the top 10 list.

That's all I was arguing.

I do think that currently the overall group of wingers is better in TOR, but best in the league? That was ludicrous to just state without thinking it through.
- mfreedman

Agreed. I guess it breaks down to how you define depth, too.

Going by points only, many teams have superior top lines this year- however, it is hard to find teams that have better wingers on every line.

Hard to gauge the level of TO's wingers against other teams because they're playing a very tight defensive game... Leafs players aren't going to be in line for any offensive awards this year, that's for sure

It's interesting to note, however, that the Leafs may have had the top line wingers in the league last year, offensively speaking, ranking 3rd and 5th amongst all wingers in p/g.

I don't think any other team had two guys in the top-10.

They're not likely to ever repeat that feat under carlyle, but it shows you the firepower they have available.

Agreed. I guess it breaks down to how you define depth, too.

Going by points only, many teams have superior top lines this year- however, it is hard to find teams that have better wingers on every line.

Hard to gauge the level of TO's wingers against other teams because they're playing a very tight defensive game... Leafs players aren't going to be in line for any offensive awards this year, that's for sure

It's interesting to note, however, that the Leafs may have had the top line wingers in the league last year, offensively speaking, ranking 3rd and 5th amongst all wingers in p/g.

I don't think any other team had two guys in the top-10.

They're not likely to ever repeat that feat under carlyle, but it shows you the firepower they have available.
- Feeling Glucky?

We do have spme great wingers, and I really hope they repeat, but at the moment the only real proven one is Kessel. I loved Lupul last year, I actually thought he was the better player than Kessel, but once Carlyle came in and he hurt himself, he wasn't guite the same last year. He had sparks this year, but another injury, so I hope he returns to his former self. Im wondering if its something that happens to him when he plays for Carlyle, or if its just coincidence. We'll see though.

We do have spme great wingers, and I really hope they repeat, but at the moment the only real proven one is Kessel. I loved Lupul last year, I actually thought he was the better player than Kessel, but once Carlyle came in and he hurt himself, he wasn't guite the same last year. He had sparks this year, but another injury, so I hope he returns to his former self. Im wondering if its something that happens to him when he plays for Carlyle, or if its just coincidence. We'll see though.
- mfreedman

I don't think he could control Phaneuf's shot breaking his arm


Side note: loving Phaneuf and Franson on the PP together. Another shoot-first defenseman opens up so much more time for Phaneuf, he can actually aim the cannon before firing.

I don't think he could control Phaneuf's shot breaking his arm


Side note: loving Phaneuf and Franson on the PP together. Another shoot-first defenseman opens up so much more time for Phaneuf, he can actually aim the cannon before firing.
- Feeling Glucky?

i know... but I was nervous about his last year, I hope what he showed is who he really can be, cause then we're set for a long time with him, Kessel, and JVR

Also, I hope he gets some more accuracy, with more time he could be lethal... But we'll see

Instead of listing those players and thinking they are already "Franchise" players, look how they're playing right now. No they are not as good as the Leafs.

There were 7 PPG players last season in the NHL. The Leafs had 2 of them. They were wingers I listed. JVR is currently second in goals. The Leafs wingers are proven.
- RogerRoeper

Not denying the leafs have good, probably even great wing depth, but I don't think you're necessarily treating the Oilers fairly.

First of all, if "how they're playing right now" is the be all and end all, you unfortunately can't use Lupul as a main pillar of your argument, let alone MacArthur's 60 point season.

As for Lupul, I think he's a great player, but I'd put Eberle's 76 points in 78 games at least on par with Lupul's 67 in 66. If you want to bring up what Lupul would be doing if he wasn't injured, or what his past seasons looked like, I can easily talk about how Hemsky has performed when he's been able to play. But I'll say from experience that no one gives a player credit for points they "would have scored".

Other than that, I have no beef with you saying the leafs have some of the best wing depth in the league.

Not denying the leafs have good, probably even great wing depth, but I don't think you're necessarily treating the Oilers fairly.

First of all, if "how they're playing right now" is the be all and end all, you unfortunately can't use Lupul as a main pillar of your argument, let alone MacArthur's 60 point season.

As for Lupul, I think he's a great player, but I'd put Eberle's 76 points in 78 games at least on par with Lupul's 67 in 66. If you want to bring up what Lupul would be doing if he wasn't injured, or what his past seasons looked like, I can easily talk about how Hemsky has performed when he's been able to play. But I'll say from experience that no one gives a player credit for points they "would have scored".

Other than that, I have no beef with you saying the leafs have some of the best wing depth in the league.

- Morris

Eberle's awesome.

Can we has him?

Eberle's awesome.

Can we has him?
- Feeling Glucky?

He's definitely good, but watching the leafs right now, I wouldn't change a thing. They will make the playoffs this year for sure. I wonder who legitimately could be added at the deadline?

He's definitely good, but watching the leafs right now, I wouldn't change a thing. They will make the playoffs this year for sure. I wonder who legitimately could be added at the deadline?
- Morris

I don't see the Leafs in a position to trade for rentals.

If they're going after someone, it'd be a guy they could re-sign in the summer, and who'd be with the team for a while.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Perry, but I doubt they're willing to give up what they need to.

Haha, ok then look back on the argument (not with you)

I said that leafs are top 10 for sure, maybe top 5..

Roegereaper (sp) said that CHI and EDM didnt deserve to be in the top 10 list.

That's all I was arguing.

I do think that currently the overall group of wingers is better in TOR, but best in the league? That was ludicrous to just state without thinking it through.
- mfreedman

No I didn't.

I don't see the Leafs in a position to trade for rentals.

If they're going after someone, it'd be a guy they could re-sign in the summer, and who'd be with the team for a while.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after Perry, but I doubt they're willing to give up what they need to.
- Feeling Glucky?

Sign Perry in the summer (Try to anyways). Don't give up assets for him.

Sign Perry in the summer (Try to anyways). Don't give up assets for him.
- RogerRoeper

You give up assets, have him for a playoff run and get first dibs to re-sign him.


In theory, I agree with you. But he's the only impact player I could see them going for at the deadline. Him or Getzlaf, but that's not happening.

Minnesota, Chicago? Really? And a big no to Edmonton.
- RogerRoeper

Then what did you mean by this?

Then what did you mean by this?
- Morris

I did not know he was listing a "Top 10 List". I thought he was listing the teams better than the Leafs in terms of depth at Wing.

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