Here's the point. If the shooter had walked into that school with a knife. Very possible that some would have still been killed, and or injured. But the possibility that the adults in that school could have overwhelmed him and protected the Children was very possible. Not at all possible with an assault rifle with extended magazines. To say it's not the guns doesn't make sense.
- MJL

But why does he need to walk into that school and murder in the first place? I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But lets say he did walk in with a knife. And he did murder, and did kill. Then what?

Why does it lead to death? Because we can't handle it. We aren't ready for it. We are still monkeys with a shiny new toy.
- Deadmau55

Exactly, take those guns off the market, can't give access to people with issues to guns. Why did that mother have 2 hand guns, a semi automatic riffle and tons of ammo? Pure stupidity....and look what happened when someone with mental issues puts his hands on those. Too many people have died already.

Exactly, take those guns off the market, can't give access to people with issues to guns. Why did that mother have 2 hand guns, a semi automatic riffle and tons of ammo? Pure stupidity....and look what happened when someone with mental issues puts his hands on those. Too many people have died already.
- Symba007

If you handed me an assault weapon, I would not feel the need to kill. Others do. It's the people holding the gun. Yes. I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But that won't change our nature.

I feel like the only one who sees the bigger picture? I'm not saying we don't have a problem. We do. It's just not the guns. People will always find ways to kill one another... Sadly we will place the blame on the object that kills. Not the creator.
- Deadmau55

yes people are the main reason. until we find out why they are committing such horrible acts shouldn't we remove the tools that make performing such acts extremely easy. knives and baseball bats make poopty tools for someone looking to commit mass murder. i really doubt columbine and all the others would have happened if all they had was a piece of wood or a blade. what if an arms company announced that they were making a bomb that could destroy the whole world available and affordable to the general public? extreme as an example but it kind of explains how certain people feel. one on one senseless violence will always exist and i think people understand that. being able slaughter large groups of people within seconds is whats hard to take.

This is a negotiation of a Collective Bargaining Agreement. In that situation the players get to negotiate how much of the revenue pie they get. Same as the Owners do.
But it wasn't my money when we were talking about the owners of rich teams sharing revenue with poor teams? In that situation it was okay for you to state that I can say that because it's not my money? Seems to be a double standard being applied here.

YOu talked about the owners using money BEYOND HRR to fix the problem.....that's not part of the pie is it?

The players taking a lesser share of revenue is going to cause the players to lose future revenue.

I assume you mean future earnings.....because besides the employment in the industry they hardly share in any of the financial risk....



The players lose by taking a reduced share of Revenue going forward. The 24% rollback and the Salary Cap was supposed to do the same thing.
- MJL

True enough but that's why we have a collective bargaining session going on.....that deal is gone....done....past....no longer an issue.....the losses the bottom 10 teams had last year are real....and if the players want a sustainable 30 teams to provide those jobs, then they were very smart to agree to the 50-50 split....oh wait they did that....good on them....
Now....do players deserve to be paid these type of wages?..... Sure they do.....but to suggest they are doing any of this for the betterment of the league or game is laughable....that's why most hockey fans side with the owners.....they fully realize that the system brought by the last CBA has not had its desired effect....so back to the drawing board....frankly the last issue I hope the players cave on is the term of the next CBA......we must all return to days of debating hockey....you remember the whole JVR and Matt Carle sucks talks.....ah the good old days......

But why does he need to walk into that school and murder in the first place? I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But lets say he did walk in with a knife. And he did murder, and did kill. Then what?
- Deadmau55

Then nothing. You wouldn't see the outrage about banning knives because the public would understand the huge difference between guns and knives. And it's doubtful that he could have even gotten inside the school with just a knife.

Obviously we have to focus on the Mental health issues also. But getting the guns is the first thing to do.

If you handed me an assault weapon, I would not feel the need to kill. Others do. It's the people holding the gun. Yes. I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But that won't change our nature.
- Deadmau55

i have been reading off an on sincve the tragedy and all of you are essentially saying the same thing but managing to argue about agreeing.
weird.

If you handed me an assault weapon, I would not feel the need to kill. Others do. It's the people holding the gun. Yes. I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But that won't change our nature.
- Deadmau55

Look at the statistics.....every country with no gun (except hunting weapons with strict rules) have MUCH lower death #'s by guns compared to the US. It's time to do something, time to grow up and take responsibility.

Crime rate will lower. Murders will lower. Look at other country's statistics that have done it.
- Cheeseballin

It will lower. But it won't go away.

True enough but that's why we have a collective bargaining session going on.....that deal is gone....done....past....no longer an issue.....the losses the bottom 10 teams had last year are real....and if the players want a sustainable 30 teams to provide those jobs, then they were very smart to agree to the 50-50 split....oh wait they did that....good on them....
Now....do players deserve to be paid these type of wages?..... Sure they do.....but to suggest they are doing any of this for the betterment of the league or game is laughable....that's why most hockey fans side with the owners.....they fully realize that the system brought by the last CBA has not had its desired effect....so back to the drawing board....frankly the last issue I hope the players cave on is the term of the next CBA......we must all return to days of debating hockey....you remember the whole JVR and Matt Carle sucks talks.....ah the good old days......

- landros 2

So the players are agreeing to move to 50/50 for the betterment of themselves? And for sure the Owners are all about the League, and certainly aren't looking out for themselves!

Matt Carle now sucks for TB!

It will lower. But it won't go away.
- Deadmau55

Every life saved counts.

(Out of respect for the victims, I won't post a pic of that beautiful 6yrs old little angel with blue yes who died a couple days ago)

If you handed me an assault weapon, I would not feel the need to kill. Others do. It's the people holding the gun. Yes. I agree. Assault weapons should be banned. But that won't change our nature.
- Deadmau55

Then take away the tools. Show me a case where there was a mass murder with a knife please.

Well then you can't have non guaranteed contracts. Because the same thing applies. If a players is not playing up to his contract. Then fire the GM or whoever made the decision to pay the player that. And then when the player signs an extension, sign him at a lower rate then they would be otherwise entitled to.
- MJL

So this is typical of your whole stance...

It happens maybe one in a hundred that a player outplays their contract. It happens the other way about 40% of the time. So you want the rules to favor the one over the 40. This is the same way the PA is negotiating right now. Ridiculous.

It will lower. But it won't go away.
- Deadmau55

If we ban those weapons, the odds of 20 kids being blow away in school, is drastically reduced. But it's not enough to just ban them. They need to enforce that ban.

It will lower. But it won't go away.
- Deadmau55

Thats terrible to say. So because you want your guns, lives are worth it. every life counts

I feel like the only one who sees the bigger picture? I'm not saying we don't have a problem. We do. It's just not the guns. People will always find ways to kill one another... Sadly we will place the blame on the object that kills. Not the creator.
- Deadmau55

Yes. People would still kill people. But it would make it extremely difficult for people to walk into a school and kill dozens of people.

Look at the statistics.....every country with no gun (except hunting weapons with strict rules) have MUCH lower death #'s by guns compared to the US. It's time to do something, time to grow up and take responsibility.
- Symba007

I agree. We create the guns, we profit from the guns, then when things like this happen, we mourn, then blame the instrument that WE created.

I agree. We create the guns, we profit from the guns, then when things like this happen, we mourn, then blame the instrument that WE created.
- Deadmau55

and WE can change the rules/laws.....it's OUR responsibility to learn from our mistakes.

I agree. We create the guns, we profit from the guns, then when things like this happen, we mourn, then blame the instrument that WE created.
- Deadmau55

So stop creating them! its pretty simple

Thats terrible to say. So because you want your guns, lives are worth it. every life counts
- Cheeseballin

Not once did I say I want guns. Not. Once. What I want is for people to open their eyes, and say " You know what, the person pulling the trigger is the problem."
I'm not pro guns, in pro common sense.

I feel like the only one who sees the bigger picture? I'm not saying we don't have a problem. We do. It's just not the guns. People will always find ways to kill one another... Sadly we will place the blame on the object that kills. Not the creator.
- Deadmau55

Easy access to guns and poor mental health care.


Rest of the world thinks the US is gun crazy though... rightly so.

and WE can change the rules/laws.....it's OUR responsibility to learn from our mistakes.
- Symba007

So it is the people then. Not the guns.

Not once did I say I want guns. Not. Once. What I want is for people to open their eyes, and say " You know what, the person pulling the trigger is the problem."
I'm not pro guns, in pro common sense.
- Deadmau55

So why are you against getting rid of them?

I agree. We create the guns, we profit from the guns, then when things like this happen, we mourn, then blame the instrument that WE created.
- Deadmau55

The argument is not one of blame.

The argument is about the ease with which homicidal maniacs can obtain lethal weapons that make it easy to kill large numbers of people in a short amount of time.

Yes. People would still kill people. But it would make it extremely difficult for people to walk into a school and kill dozens of people.
- Iggysbff

But not impossible? That desire to kill is still there? Does it matter if you have a gun or a bomb in your hand?