Please, enlighten us all, brainiac!
- As_I_See_It

Can't convince a liberal because you've got an illness. Not going to bother either

Guns are not the real problem here anyway in my opinion, people with messed up minds are. Getting these people identified and getting them help is the key. For example my wife was a specialized child care worker before retirement and she once documented and pleaded with her superiors to do something with this one boy or something very bad is going to happen. Well one summer day a little 9 year old girl dissapeared and was found in the bushes raped and an arrow stuck through her throat. Guess who did it?? If this kid had been helped instead of ignored by authorities it could have saved a life. He will be eligible for parole in 2017, scary!
- flyerdude17

I agree with the mental health issue. But you totally lose me with the 'guns aren't the real problem' stance.

If you have a fire in your basement and a fire in your attic... Which burns your house down?

In Canada, we have to get an FAC, or Firearms Acquisition Certificate. In order to get one of these, you must be checked and take a couple of long courses as well. When you purchase your weapon, it is registered.
- bixll

GREAT!!! thats great!!!

im not saying get rid of ALL guns...im saying get rid of the automatic rifles, the ones that are made to kill "beings" fast, and make buying a gun more regulated...

you want a handgun to hunt with or target practice or whatever it is, god bless it. go get one!! but first, prove youre an adult and responsible enough to have a killing machine.

(thats the proverbial "you")

then there would be no more school attacks....see how that works....Guns equal protection when in hands of good sane people. Gun = bad when in hands of mentally disturbed individuals.. How about tackling mental illness before tackling the 4th amendment.
- tmlfan17

define mental illness...

Actually, the only people at fort hood that readily had guns available to them were the MP's. No other soldier was allowed to have their side arms with them or that guy would have been toast after the first shot.
- madmike71

That is true but when they arrived his shooting was silenced.

It's a hot topic, people are passionate about their views, it's often times easy to get carried away and/or misinterpret what others are trying to convey. Myself inlcuded. I've said my peace and I wish to be done with this topic. It makes me feel truly and utterly sick to my heart and stomach looking at the pictures of those kids. I have twins, boy and girl (32 months). I get teary eyed just thinking about any possible harm coming to them. I'm not sure if you have childeren or not, but having your own seems to make things like this even harder to fathom.

I appreciate your willingness and ability to understand things objectively whether you agree with people or not, and your outstanding ability to factually out wit people. Obviously there are always a handful of people (sometimes more) that feel the need to be richards regardless the subject, I'm sure as a long time member of this site, you're aware of who most of them are.

I have no qualms with you AW.

We're cool.
- MnGump

I totally understand how you feel and enjoy your contributions to HB I have raised my kids and now have 8 grandchildren that I pray are safe and sound every day of their lives. In this crazy world you just do not want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I was not argueing here. I was replying to Wedgie. I don't think they can clean up the US. It has far too many illegal guns on the street. How do you clean those up. Guns are for sport mostly. Thise that say they are for protection are full of poop. They are supposed to be for hunting and sport. If someone walked in my house, I would not shoot them, but I would certainly kick the crap out of them.
- bixll

Well I disagree with your sentiment... Just being defeated and not doing anything is not the answer. I think something can be done, even of it seems like an impossible mountain to climb.

I'm not sure how Civilized the US is when one state is putting into action a plan to grade chilcren by race :

http://www.vpr.net/npr/163703499/



Discuss
- Flyers_01

Gives a whole new definition to an "Asian Fail".. ... gotta love America. Where we fight racism with racism

define mental illness...
- LetsGoIsles

As_I-See_It

Actually, the only people at fort hood that readily had guns available to them were the MP's. No other soldier was allowed to have their side arms with them or that guy would have been toast after the first shot.
- madmike71

but someone had a gun to take down the killer...this kinda hurts the argument that a guard should be armed and then only one person would be shot, the attacker.

I don't think hunting rifles are the problem.


No on robs a store or goes on a rampage with a hunting rifle.
- robin_steele264

except this guy in connecticut.

Well I disagree with your sentiment... Just being defeated and not doing anything is not the answer. I think something can be done, even of it seems like an impossible mountain to climb.
- robin_steele264

GREAT!!! thats great!!!

im not saying get rid of ALL guns...im saying get rid of the automatic rifles, the ones that are made to kill "beings" fast, and make buying a gun more regulated...

you want a handgun to hunt with or target practice or whatever it is, god bless it. go get one!! but first, prove youre an adult and responsible enough to have a killing machine.

(thats the proverbial "you")
- LetsGoIsles

First, you never kill what you are not going to eat.

I learned this at 8 years old, when I shot my first bird. I was made to clean and cook it. I never shot another animal, I was not prepared to eat. This is the way in the country.

Dont know if many have read the article related to the oregon shooter. Basically it states ...

Gun man opened fire in a common area of the mall killing two. Went to unjam or reload his gun and a shopper with a conceal/ carry permit pulled a gun on him.

Shooter then pulled out a pistol and killed himself. I guess so he could not be taken alive.

I can only imagine how many others would of died in that mall if that man wasnt there.

except this guy in connecticut.
- Fountain-San

He only used a hunting rifle?

Can't convince a liberal because you've got an illness. Not going to bother either
- tmlfan17

You have nothing!

Ran along, the adults are speaking!

I was not argueing here. I was replying to Wedgie. I don't think they can clean up the US. It has far too many illegal guns on the street. How do you clean those up. Guns are for sport mostly. Thise that say they are for protection are full of poop. They are supposed to be for hunting and sport. If someone walked in my house, I would not shoot them, but I would certainly kick the crap out of them.
- bixll

Merica already has the never ending war on drugs and war on terror. We don't need another never ending/unwinnable war on guns.


Answer to our problem, I don't have one. People with little or no criminal history going out and committing some of the most brutal crimes in our countries history?
What do you do??????

edit: and most times they kill themselves right after.

He only used a hunting rifle?
- robin_steele264

that was his primary weapon. his mother's bushmaster. shot her with it and most if not all of the other victims.

Dont know if many have read the article related to the oregon shooter. Basically it states ...

Gun man opened fire in a common area of the mall killing two. Went to unjam or reload his gun and a shopper with a conceal/ carry permit pulled a gun on him.

Shooter then pulled out a pistol and killed himself. I guess so he could not be taken alive.

I can only imagine how many others would of died in that mall if that man wasnt there.
- Gerk

Bingo - boom goes the dynamite

Well I disagree with your sentiment... Just being defeated and not doing anything is not the answer. I think something can be done, even of it seems like an impossible mountain to climb.
- robin_steele264

Good for you, get at it. Let me know how it goes for you.

It is the reason the long gun registry was stopped. an estimated 15 million guns in Canada unregistered, the mountain was too high to climb Robin, the US would be far harder to change.

You have nothing!

Ran along, the adults are speaking!
- As_I_See_It

And your sounding so intelligent as well. Your skirt is a little short.

maybe you dont get that peoples lives are at risk...get it done!!! i dont care what it takes, make regulations, do background checks, do whatever is necessary, anything less is unacceptable.
- LetsGoIsles

I don't disagree, but the way you say it comes across as if it's an easy process to carry out, that takes little effort, and has no consequences anywhere else. The point about quick, irrational knee jerk reactions in the wake of a tragedy is a valid one. What happens if gun laws are made to your satisfaction a year from now, and another school shooting happens (and it probably will)? Perhaps the right move restricting guns would have been made, but it would be apparent that more factors were ignored or at least missed.

I'm not against stricter gun control laws. I'm of the belief that "the right to bear arms" and the "right to bear any device that's capable of projecting a bullet" are not the same thing. However, tragedies like the one on Friday, occurred because of a variety of factors, and yet only the one that is being discussed happens to be the biggest political hot button issue in the country. Yes, I know some people are referring to mental health, which is an equally important discussion, but it is not getting the same kind of attention.

My problem with the issue isn't that gun control is being looked at as a way to prevent something like this happening again. My problem is that, more often than not, it is being looked at as THE way to prevent this from happening again. The answer is never that simple.

but someone had a gun to take down the killer...this kinda hurts the argument that a guard should be armed and then only one person would be shot, the attacker.
- LetsGoIsles

So you think it's possible to completely eliminate a psycho from getting any gun and shooting some innocent people? Sorry man, not happening. I don't care what law you pass, if someone want's to go on a rampage, he'll do just that.

I think the only possibility is to limit the damage. If law abiding soldiers in Fort Hood had their side arms, that terrorist would have barely had time to kill one or two people. Sadly, like all of these incidents, it takes time for the police to arrive....

I agree with the mental health issue. But you totally lose me with the 'guns aren't the real problem' stance.

If you have a fire in your basement and a fire in your attic... Which burns your house down?
- robin_steele264

Sorry, guns are a problem but they are not a problem for the responsible hunter or the responsible individual. I do not hunt or even own a gun but whether they are legal or not if I wanted one bad enough I could get one very easily and do serious damage if inclined to do so. To clear up what I meant I personally could care less if all guns were banned but to be fair to those who are responsible and need guns for hunting or protection from unwanted wild life on their farms or whatever it is not for me to say.

that was his primary weapon. his mother's bushmaster. shot her with it and most if not all of the other victims.
- Fountain-San

I was under the impression this was more of an assault rifle... And handguns too?


I don't know all he details. But it seems difficult to fathom some getting off 100+ rounds with the type of hunting rifle I'm thinking of at least.