I read a report that she was a bit of a nutter herself - preparing for the collapse of civil society, stockpiling canned food, etc.
- Atomic Wedgie

December 21st 2012 ?

Like Fort Hood?
- Atomic Wedgie

Actually, yes.... Nobody was allowed to have their side arms with them within the confines of the base. Only MP's. It took a little time for the MP"s to get there... Sound familiar?

What would the Mets know about winning? They know a lot about spending. But winning... not so much.
- bloatedmosquito

really??? is this starting already?

don't count your eggs before the hatch

I don't think that would work, the price of a hitman would just go up accordingly, lol

Seriously the problem is as stated that most murders are committed with stolen guns anyway so taking guns away from responsible owners is not the answer. I really do not have an answer as there seems to be too many mentally ill people out there that are not being dealt with. That being said how can you read minds?
- flyerdude17

Your right when you stated minds....I think the first thing that should be strengthened are the mental health laws. All of these latest shooters should have been Medical Heath facilities instead of being with the general public. In the United States your allowed to refuse metal health treatment and don't have to take your meds if you've never been convicted of a crime.

I'll leave the final word to Krusty the Klown:

"Hey yutz. Guns aren't toys - - they're for family protection, hunting dangerous and delicious animals, and keeping the king of England out your face."
- Atomic Wedgie

I find it contradicting that pro gun Americans always fall back to their constitutional right to bare arms just in case their government betrays them.



You had your chance Merica and ya puzzied out. Time to give back your guns.

And I'll bet a responsible one.

Keep your guns locked up, or do they just lie around the house?

Did you register your gun when you bought it?

Own any assault rifles?

By the way, guess who wanted to keep the long gun registry?

Every police force across Canada.
- Atomic Wedgie

I have a room, locked with no door knob, just dead bolts.

I have won many competitions.

I do not own assult rifles.

I did not register my guns..Nor would I if the registry was NOT aboloshed.

The last statement to absolutley FALSE...I have been involved in this for years. Totally a false statement, my friend.

you must have accidentally replied to me because you didnt even come CLOSE to approaching what i brought up...

"so its the highest in the country...does that mean it wouldnt be HIGHER with less strict gun laws?"
- LetsGoIsles

It could mean a lot of things. It could mean that less strict laws would lower the crime rate. It could also mean that it would increase. It could also mean that the correlation isn't as strong as people are assuming it to be and that there are a variety of other factors that are largely ignored because "restricting firearms" or "not restricting firearms" is simpler. That's the one I tend to lean towards.

really??? is this starting already?

don't count your eggs before the hatch
- LetsGoIsles

What eggs? I thought we were talking baseball?

Well... One well trained ex-marine at the door and there would have been only one dead person. The shooter.

You do know, the VA Tech shooter killed more helpless people with only handguns. Why? 'Cause nobody around to shoot back.
- madmike71

Your first comment I agree with whole heartedly.

As far as your second comment. Nobdody is saying that you can't have a handgun for protection.

Well... One well trained ex-marine at the door and there would have been only one dead person. The shooter.

You do know, the VA Tech shooter killed more helpless people with only handguns. Why? 'Cause nobody around to shoot back.
- madmike71

its safe to assume that had he used automatic weapons there would have been ALOT more people dead. correct? can we all agree on that?

Where did I say "take away all guns?"

So one city is doing a decent job with their gun crime. I guess that makes everything okay for the rest of the nation because we can see that the potential for reasonable gun control is there, eh brainiac?

Tell this to gun victims' and their families. Tell this to the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions around the world, that are shocked and saddened by the tragic events at Sandy Hook.

No my friend, there is no rationale argument or excuse for needing and treating gun related issues as lightly as Americans have in recent years.
- As_I_See_It

You don't get it and probably never will.

Agreed, but the only places these losers attack are soft targets. Why is they shoot up schools, theatres? it's because nobody is going to be armed.
- tmlfan17

I'm 100% in favor of making Schools more secure and providing well armed and trained Security professionals at every school.

This is correct, but, when you are also the world leader in weapons supply, and sell them to other nations as well as domestically, and it's a material portion of your economy, "make them less available" is easier said than done.
- buffalofan19

maybe you dont get that peoples lives are at risk...get it done!!! i dont care what it takes, make regulations, do background checks, do whatever is necessary, anything less is unacceptable.

I read a report that she was a bit of a nutter herself - preparing for the collapse of civil society, stockpiling canned food, etc.
- Atomic Wedgie

Does this mean we should start looking into Tim Thomas and take his guns...

Like Fort Hood?
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh good one. A traitor in the ranks was totally expected. He also didn't commit suicide he was dropped.

I have a room, locked with no door knob, just dead bolts.

I have won many competitions.

I do not own assult rifles.

I did not register my guns..Nor would I if the registry was NOT aboloshed.

The last statement to absolutley FALSE...I have been involved in this for years. Totally a false statement, my friend.
- bixll

I don't get what you are arguing here... Do you think there should be stricter gun laws in the US, or it won make a difference?

Please re-read my post - I state that everything I wrote are things you have already agreed with.

I also stated you are a responsible gun owner.

I even dropped a hint for you to invite me to go hunting with you some time.

I just took exception to you stating that people want to "take away the right to own guns."

Nobody is saying that.

Cool?
- Atomic Wedgie

It's a hot topic, people are passionate about their views, it's often times easy to get carried away and/or misinterpret what others are trying to convey. Myself inlcuded. I've said my peace and I wish to be done with this topic. It makes me feel truly and utterly sick to my heart and stomach looking at the pictures of those kids. I have twins, boy and girl (32 months). I get teary eyed just thinking about any possible harm coming to them. I'm not sure if you have childeren or not, but having your own seems to make things like this even harder to fathom.

I appreciate your willingness and ability to understand things objectively whether you agree with people or not, and your outstanding ability to factually out wit people. Obviously there are always a handful of people (sometimes more) that feel the need to be richards regardless the subject, I'm sure as a long time member of this site, you're aware of who most of them are.

I have no qualms with you AW.

We're cool.

Your first comment I agree with whole heartedly.

As far as your second comment. Nobdody is saying that you can't have a handgun for protection.
- MJL

You missed the point. The Va tech shooter killed 30 or so people with only handguns. Didn't have an assault weapon. Same with Fort Hood. Same with that nut who shot the congress woman. If they ban assault guns, what's next when the murders don't stop?

Give anybody a gym bag full of handguns and he'll do similar damage when nobody is around to shoot back.....

You don't get it and probably never will.
- tmlfan17

Please, enlighten us all, brainiac!

maybe you dont get that peoples lives are at risk...get it done!!! i dont care what it takes, make regulations, do background checks, do whatever is necessary, anything less is unacceptable.
- LetsGoIsles

In Canada, we have to get an FAC, or Firearms Acquisition Certificate. In order to get one of these, you must be checked and take a couple of long courses as well. When you purchase your weapon, it is registered.

Oh good one. A traitor in the ranks was totally expected. He also didn't commit suicide he was dropped.
- tmlfan17

Most don't commit suicide, they always say they do to make things easier for authorities.

I don't think hunting rifles are the problem.


No on robs a store or goes on a rampage with a hunting rifle.
- robin_steele264

Guns are not the real problem here anyway in my opinion, people with messed up minds are. Getting these people identified and getting them help is the key. For example my wife was a specialized child care worker before retirement and she once documented and pleaded with her superiors to do something with this one boy or something very bad is going to happen. Well one summer day a little 9 year old girl dissapeared and was found in the bushes raped and an arrow stuck through her throat. Guess who did it?? If this kid had been helped instead of ignored by authorities it could have saved a life. He will be eligible for parole in 2017, scary!

I'm 100% in favor of making Schools more secure and providing well armed and trained Security professionals at every school.
- MJL

then there would be no more school attacks....see how that works....Guns equal protection when in hands of good sane people. Gun = bad when in hands of mentally disturbed individuals.. How about tackling mental illness before tackling the 4th amendment.

Oh good one. A traitor in the ranks was totally expected. He also didn't commit suicide he was dropped.
- tmlfan17

Actually, the only people at fort hood that readily had guns available to them were the MP's. No other soldier was allowed to have their side arms with them or that guy would have been toast after the first shot.

I don't get what you are arguing here... Do you think there should be stricter gun laws in the US, or it won make a difference?
- robin_steele264

I was not argueing here. I was replying to Wedgie. I don't think they can clean up the US. It has far too many illegal guns on the street. How do you clean those up. Guns are for sport mostly. Thise that say they are for protection are full of poop. They are supposed to be for hunting and sport. If someone walked in my house, I would not shoot them, but I would certainly kick the crap out of them.