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Dec 17 @ 12:39 AM ET
Let me ask everyone an honest question:
Why is it when an American does something like this, it's a gun problem. But when someone.. lets say from overseas, does something like this it's a terrorist attack. When WE do it, it's a gun problem. When THEY do it, it's not a gun problem, they are just evil. When a terrorist does something like this.. No one focuses on the gun. Just the act itself. Are we scared that... maybe we may be like the people we fear? - Deadmau55
Well Americans have done some terrorist attacks too. 9/11 and Oklahoma City Bombings.
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Dec 17 @ 2:38 AM ET
i hope i can believe obama and what he said in his speech in Newton, that they will take action and things will change, that they need to do whatever to stop this, too many young lives have been lost from pointless violence from VT, to the batman movie, to mall shootings, and now this tragic event
I was "glad" (not really the word) that he brought up that other young kids die every day due to "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" from guns, and that he isnt forgetting them and bringing light that this must stop and we must focus on each life lost not just in newton, while it is extremely tragic and tears were coming down my face watching the whole service we must also realize that there are others and we have to take action to stop it
one positive out of all this is that it has brought family and everyone closer together and realize just how lucky we are, every parent is giving their kid that extra hug, and while a tragedy occurred the good in people will prevail
i still cant imagine what the parents, brothers, sisters, and relatives of those who are now in heaven are going through, and how they are handling this, R.I.P
Agreed. And I am half American and half Canadian. Spent equal time between Louisville KY and Toronto ON. In Canada when someone pisses us off, we have to use our fists or premeditate some sort of revenge. After thinking about it for a while most people diffuse their emotions. But if I holstered a gun at a red light and someone cut me off and then screamed at me I might be more compelled to shoot them. I walked into several establishments in and around Louisville that had a signs that stated "No Guns Allowed". Never seen that in Canada, not once. I found it bizarre until I learned people can walk around in public with holstered guns. That's (frank)ing insane. - GregMorris
I think this is the crux of the issue. People want to blame mental illness and not guns but when you think about, who doesn't have some kind of mental illness anymore? As you said, someone could just get really pissed, be drunk, have a bad day - but if you're walking around with a gun it could be much much worse.
Why is it when an American does something like this, it's a gun problem. But when someone.. lets say from overseas, does something like this it's a terrorist attack. When WE do it, it's a gun problem. When THEY do it, it's not a gun problem, they are just evil. When a terrorist does something like this.. No one focuses on the gun. Just the act itself. Are we scared that... maybe we may be like the people we fear? - Deadmau55
All you've changed in your scenario is the motive, not the method.
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Dec 17 @ 6:34 AM ET
I think this is the crux of the issue. People want to blame mental illness and not guns but when you think about, who doesn't have some kind of mental illness anymore? As you said, someone could just get really pissed, be drunk, have a bad day - but if you're walking around with a gun it could be much much worse. - tmlfan69
Recent efforts to tighten guns laws in Newton resisted
Yet recent efforts by the police chief and other town leaders to gain some control over the shooting and the weaponry turned into a tumultuous civic fight, with traditional hunters and discreet gun owners opposed by assault weapon enthusiasts, and a modest tolerance for bearing arms competing with the staunch views of a gun industry trade association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which has made Newtown its home.
I mentioned mental illness and to me, this is sign number 1 - if you are an "enthusiast" of assault weapons, you should be subjected to a huge battery of tests for mental stability.
That article has no relation to the situation at hand. The effort was merely to try to control when and where, you are able to discharge the guns. This was no stray shot from a target range. This is just an attempt to stir up more outrage from a marginally related article.
In the wake of tragedy every reactionary idiot with an axe to grind comes out of the woodwork. Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act because a sane and sober nation wouldn't have stood for all the personal freedoms taken away in that one document but in the wake of tragedy, people don't think clearly and make emotionally driven decisions.
Same thing that's going to happen when congress opens again. Strike while the iron is hot and try to ram something through before people can calm down.
Hey, if a year from now, something get's passed, then I will more than likely believe that it was more than a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy. A lot of bad laws get passed in the wake of tragedies.
That article has no relation to the situation at hand. The effort was merely to try to control when and where, you are able to discharge the guns. This was no stray shot from a target range. This is just an attempt to stir up more outrage from a marginally related article.
In the wake of tragedy every reactionary idiot with an axe to grind comes out of the woodwork. Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act because a sane and sober nation wouldn't have stood for all the personal freedoms taken away in that one document but in the wake of tragedy, people don't think clearly and make emotionally driven decisions.
Same thing that's going to happen when congress opens again. Strike while the iron is hot and try to ram something through before people can calm down.
Hey, if a year from now, something get's passed, then I will more than likely believe that it was more than a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy. A lot of bad laws get passed in the wake of tragedies. - Flyers_01
Many many people having been trying to change gun laws for years, it has nothing to do with emotional issues. All they do, and rightly so, is give everyone a slap in the face who are more concerned about their "rights" than doing what IS right.
NO CIVILIAN NEEDS ASSAULT WEAPONS and there is no argument I've heard over the years that sounds even remotely convincing.
Hey, if a year from now, something get's passed, then I will more than likely believe that it was more than a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy. - Flyers_01
Considering the increased frequency of these kind of events, can you honestly tell me that your country can even go a year without another tragedy like this happening?
That article has no relation to the situation at hand. The effort was merely to try to control when and where, you are able to discharge the guns. This was no stray shot from a target range. This is just an attempt to stir up more outrage from a marginally related article.
In the wake of tragedy every reactionary idiot with an axe to grind comes out of the woodwork. Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act because a sane and sober nation wouldn't have stood for all the personal freedoms taken away in that one document but in the wake of tragedy, people don't think clearly and make emotionally driven decisions.
Same thing that's going to happen when congress opens again. Strike while the iron is hot and try to ram something through before people can calm down.
Hey, if a year from now, something get's passed, then I will more than likely believe that it was more than a knee jerk reaction to a tragedy. A lot of bad laws get passed in the wake of tragedies. - Flyers_01
You've got it backwards. It wouldn't be a knee jerk reaction. It would be a Country that says they've had enough and takes action and is motivated to do so due to this terrible tragedy. So maybe some good can come out of it. Instead of what we normally do. Which is come together and support one another emotionally, let some time pass. And then forget about it and do nothing, and then separate back into political opposition and letting lobbyists control what's done. Because it's too hard. To call something that needs to be done, knee jerk is incredibly irresponsible and lacks complete insight, when Human life is lost, especially Children. And if some of my precious personal freedoms need to be taken away to keep our kids safe. Or to keep our Country safe. Then I'm fine with that. Because that is being an American. And that is far more precious then any of my Personal freedoms. And a year from now is too late. It was too late before this happened. It needs to happen right now!
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Dec 17 @ 9:41 AM ET
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