- Symba007

Now this I like...

How am I not surprised you'd say something as dumb as this... while agreeing with an idiotic statement.

Gun control is not the issue. Were there any shots fired with the Oklahoma City bombing in the mid 90's? That answer would be no. How about 9/11? No again.

There's no easy answer, but banning guns is not one of them.
- shoogabear

I respect your opinion. But I disagree.

Man, I hate that (frank)ing panda...
- Flyfreaky

Man, I hate that (frank)ing panda...
- Flyfreaky

Give me a break. Nobody is stating that banning guns is a cure all for every problem! Saying Gun control is not the issue, is colossally idiotic.
- MJL

+1

But it's not the only issue.

When someone can answer "why do people kill in the first place?" Then we can discuss the methods they use and how to prevent it.

How am I not surprised you'd say something as dumb as this... while agreeing with an idiotic statement.

Gun control is not the issue. Were there any shots fired with the Oklahoma City bombing in the mid 90's? That answer would be no. How about 9/11? No again.

There's no easy answer, but banning guns is not one of them.
- shoogabear

Um yes it is the answer. Pretty cut and dry. If you don't have a gun, you don't kill someone. Ps, that was pretty dumb comparing to 9/11. What about columbine?

Too bad Lanzas mom wasn't a gun owner... Oh wait, she had 3 of them.

How am I not surprised you'd say something as dumb as this... while agreeing with an idiotic statement.

Gun control is not the issue. Were there any shots fired with the Oklahoma City bombing in the mid 90's? That answer would be no. How about 9/11? No again.

There's no easy answer, but banning guns is not one of them.
- shoogabear

What a ridiculous statement. Just because crazy people at various times have killed a bunch of people without guns, that doesn't mean that guns are not an issue. That's like saying that more people die in the USA every year from obesity related issues than from suicide, so suicides are not an issue.

I don't think anybody seriously believes a ban on guns is the answer. But better gun control? Absolutely. It has been proven in almost every 1st world country on earth.

you can ban guns all you want, but always remeber this, 3000 people lost their lives because of box cutters on 9-11-01. if someone really wants to kill some one, they are gonna figure out a way to do so. i will hold on to my assault rifle and hand guns so that when some idiot runs in on my family with a gun he will pay the ultimate price by my hand and not his own after he kills my family and i
- pensfan024

The fact that you just wrote that is insane. I have never seen a real gun, only a few bb guns. You're attitude is part of the problem towards gun issues in America. In Canada guns are rare. Hunting yes they are around for that. Illegal guns from the USA yes they are here too and used for crimes. But the average person owning a gun......that's (frank)ing crazy. Assault rifles?????? holy poop really?

Um yes it is the answer. Pretty cut and dry. If you don't have a gun, you don't kill someone. Ps, that was pretty dumb comparing to 9/11. What about columbine?

Too bad Lanzas mom wasn't a gun owner... Oh wait, she had 3 of them.
- Scooby_Doo

"If you don't have gun, you don't kill someone"

Last year handguns killed:

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in Germany and

10,728 in the United States.

Nope...no problem there.
- Symba007

But Symba you forgot to consider that Canada has only roughly one tenth of the population of the U.S. So you would have to multiplay the Canadian stat by 10. That makes your arguement look a little different doesn't it! Muahahahahahah!







wait, nevermind.

Unfortunately, yes.

If they weren't the American constitution would've been changed long ago.
- Pen15

With the political landscape today that is not really true.

About 2 weeks ago the Senate could not even come together and pass a bill that helps disabled people, because the crazies claimed that the law would allow the UN to storm into your house and force you to build a wheelchair ramp.

It took them 10 years to pass a bill that gave 9/11 first responders access to healthcare, and even then the bill is a joke.

It takes what, 75% to pass a constitutional amendment? They cannot even get 51% agreement on anything.

But Symba you forgot to consider that Canada has only roughly one tenth of the population of the U.S. So you would have to multiplay the Canadian stat by 10. That makes your arguement look a little different doesn't it! Muahahahahahah!


wait, nevermind.
- Aetherial

The best is Great Britain, 5 times smaller.......

40 vs 10 728

+1

But it's not the only issue.

When someone can answer "why do people kill in the first place?" Then we can discuss the methods they use and how to prevent it.
- Deadmau55

But in the mean time while you're trying to figure out why people kill in the first place, you get the guns.

you can ban guns all you want, but always remeber this, 3000 people lost their lives because of box cutters on 9-11-01. if someone really wants to kill some one, they are gonna figure out a way to do so. i will hold on to my assault rifle and hand guns so that when some idiot runs in on my family with a gun he will pay the ultimate price by my hand and not his own after he kills my family and i
- pensfan024

Those people were killed by hijacked planes, not by box cutters.

Again, if you are a responsible gun owner and pass all the tests etc. you should be allowed to own a gun. All people are saying is that:
a) the standard should be higher, so that mentally impaired people do not get their hands on guns, and
b) assault weapons should be limited, in the hope that it will prevent the deaths of more innocent people.
Neither of those points will prevent you from owning your hand guns if you are mentally sound.

The fact you feel you need an assault rifle is beyond me.

you can ban guns all you want, but always remeber this, 3000 people lost their lives because of box cutters on 9-11-01. if someone really wants to kill some one, they are gonna figure out a way to do so. i will hold on to my assault rifle and hand guns so that when some idiot runs in on my family with a gun he will pay the ultimate price by my hand and not his own after he kills my family and i
- pensfan024

Let me state again:

The fact that you just wrote that is insane. I have never seen a real gun, only a few bb guns. Your attitude is part of the problem towards gun issues in America. In Canada guns are rare. Hunting yes they are around for that. Illegal guns from the USA yes they are here too and used for crimes. But the average person owning a gun......that's (frank)ing crazy. Assault rifles?????? holy poop really?

Last year handguns killed:

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in Germany and

10,728 in the United States.

Nope...no problem there.
- Symba007

This argument keeps getting brought up.

It ignores factors like the massive class disparity in the USA, as well as much worse inner city crime, which cannot be solely blamed on guns.

Also high incarceration and recidivism / low rehabilitation for

But in the mean time while you're trying to figure out why people kill in the first place, you get the guns.
- MJL

Fair enough.

Last year handguns killed:

48 people in Japan
8 in Great Britain
34 in Switzerland
52 in Canada
58 in Israel
21 in Sweden
42 in Germany and

10,728 in the United States.

Nope...no problem there.
- Symba007

Oh yeah, people like you LOVE those numbers... How many violent crimes are there in those countries? Let's also account for the population of all those countries compared to the US.

No one cares about minnesota.
- Scooby_Doo

My comment said nothing about Minnesota as a team or state. Learn how to comprehend what you read.

Oh yeah, people like you LOVE those numbers... How many violent crimes are there in those countries? Let's also account for the population of all those countries compared to the US.
- shoogabear

Do the math. Then your argument makes zero sense.

Oh yeah, people like you LOVE those numbers... How many violent crimes are there in those countries? Let's also account for the population of all those countries compared to the US.
- shoogabear

Great Britain, 5 times smaller

5 x 8 murder = 40 vs 10 728

Canada

10 times smaller

10 x 52=520 vs 10 728

Canada is actually a very good example, very similar society but with strong gun control policies.

Take guns away from those committing violent crimes, you'll see the number of victims drop.

Those people were killed by hijacked planes, not by box cutters.

Again, if you are a responsible gun owner and pass all the tests etc. you should be allowed to own a gun. All people are saying is that:
a) the standard should be higher, so that mentally impaired people do not get their hands on guns, and
b) assault weapons should be limited, in the hope that it will prevent the deaths of more innocent people.
Neither of those points will prevent you from owning your hand guns if you are mentally sound.

The fact you feel you need an assault rifle is beyond me.
- niedermayer27

The main point is that those planes were hi jacked with box cutters, not guns.

I do agree there need to be igher standards as well. I think the biggest problem here is that hte incident is too fresh iin peoples minds. Now you want people wanting to put armed guards in every school. Or ban guns altogether. People need a bit of a cooling off period to calm down on the incident.

Oh yeah, people like you LOVE those numbers... How many violent crimes are there in those countries? Let's also account for the population of all those countries compared to the US.
- shoogabear

See the UN study conducted in 2010:

The average number of murders per 100,000 people in the USA is 4.2.
UK is 1.2.
Canada is 1.6.

Incidentally, bastions of peace like Iran, Libya and Syria all have a lower murder rate than the US.

The main point is that those planes were hi jacked with box cutters, not guns.

I do agree there need to be igher standards as well. I think the biggest problem here is that hte incident is too fresh iin peoples minds. Now you want people wanting to put armed guards in every school. Or ban guns altogether. People need a bit of a cooling off period to calm down on the incident.
- david22

Ban semi/fully automatic guns for civilians, I'd also remove handguns for civilians but that won't happen in the states.

Great Britain, 5 times smaller

5 x 8 murder = 40 vs 10 728

Canada

10 times smaller

10 x 52=520 vs 10 728

Canada is actually a very good example, very similar society but with strong gun control policies.

Take guns away from those committing violent crimes, you'll see the number of victims drop.
- Symba007

Agreed. And I am half American and half Canadian. Spent equal time between Louisville KY and Toronto ON. In Canada when someone pisses us off, we have to use our fists or premeditate some sort of revenge. After thinking about it for a while most people diffuse their emotions. But if I holstered a gun at a red light and someone cut me off and then screamed at me I might be more compelled to shoot them. I walked into several establishments in and around Louisville that had a signs that stated "No Guns Allowed". Never seen that in Canada, not once. I found it bizarre until I learned people can walk around in public with holstered guns. That's (frank)ing insane.