Still ripping on the players/Fehr, huh Ek. If the game, as the owners say, is in such lousy condition after 7 straight years of record revenues, how about they show us? Make the case. Because the way it is right now, it seems like it is totally about greed on the owners' part. They have not made the case as to how they can justify asking for the rollbacks they want. Show us the numbers. Show us the franchises that are hurting. Daly says its "more than a handful". What the fack does that mean? As a fan, I lay the blame for this fiasco completely at Bettman and his circle of influential owners' feet. As stewards of the game, they have been utterly disgraceful and contemptuous of their own fanbase. What is this, the fourth work stoppage in 20 years? It's an absolute disgrace. Shame on them.

"The owners look at it like honing in on a system that will keep all 30 teams stable"..You know what, it was that Dopey Bettman and the GREEDY owners who took the franchising fees and placed teams in cities that cant support the NHL. The NHL should be 26 teams if not no more than 28. Its the Owners who say where the teams play. Phoenix cant support a team, The Yotes are a wining team, yet they dont have any attendance. The league keeps dumping millions of bucks into a pit. The Devils sign Kovi and yet go bankrupt. You yet again ask the players save the league from its own stupidity.
- Brukie

That's basically the whole problem. It's a flawed system from the onset wether it's 50/50 or not. If you're going to have a salary cap structured the way it is, you either need all teams on at least some kind of equal footing, or you need to have an adequate revenue sharing program for those at the bottom.

The way it is now, you have three teams reaping the lions share of the profits. Toronto, Montreal, and the Rangers are making tens of millions in profits each year. Of course their argument (and likely all the republicans in the room) is that they are entitled to make as much money as they can and they shouldn't have to be responsible for the finances of the other teams. That does on the surface make some sense but you have to also realize that all those revenues are inflating the salary cap for the rest of the league. So what's happening is that the 27 other teams are CURRENTLY being forced to pay more to essentially subsidize the wealthy teams at the top.

The wealthy teams are in fact paying less on players than they would under a wide open system, while the bottom feeding teams are forced to pay more than they would like. Each year revenue goes up, driven by the wealthy teams, while the burden of the increase in players salaries is being thrust onto all the teams equally. The current revenue sharing program does not make up the difference, and because the people who are making the most money and have the most power in these negotiations are not willing to give up one dollar of their profits to improve the system, the league will continue to have these problems.

when u take into account the health of some of the lesser franchises...yeah, it looks pretty bad.
get off guarantees first and foremost. it just cant happen
- hugefemale dog77

When you break down the deal, and actually look at the numbers over the life of the deal. It doesn't come close to looking pretty bad.

So they're $182m apart over 5 years. 182/5 = 36.4m per year. 36.4/30 teams = $1.213m per team

Does the players offer look so bad?
- MJL

debated this with you last night, I'm not taking one side over the other, this whole issue, fight, conundrum, is more about common sense than anything else, saying the players offer this and that, avoiding what my post was about, taking the NHL's offer puts them ahead of the NFL's players deal & no worse than the NBA's players offer.
but of course employees who feel that they should call the shots can't see the reality of this whole situation.
before Clarke and Parent and Barber could bring a cup to our city, Ed Snider had to assume all if the risks, and give birth to the damn team before any players could win anything, it's not about taking an owners or commissioners side, it's about a deal that puts you better or no less than the previously mentioned sports.
Jesus the average sports fan cant watch hockey on the TV, ESPN, we all know how they feel, this has become such a joke at this point. can we please stop these players kissing Fehr's a$$ and get back to what we all want? the damn game!

debated this with you last night, I'm not taking one side over the other, this whole issue, fight, conundrum, is more about common sense than anything else, saying the players offer this and that, avoiding what my post was about, taking the NHL's offer puts them ahead of the NFL's players deal & no worse than the NBA's players offer.
but of course employees who feel that they should call the shots can't see the reality of this whole situation.
before Clarke and Parent and Barber could bring a cup to our city, Ed Snider had to assume all if the risks, and give birth to the damn team before any players could win anything, it's not about taking an owners or commissioners side, it's about a deal that puts you better or no less than the previously mentioned sports.
Jesus the average sports fan cant watch hockey on the TV, ESPN, we all know how they feel, this has become such a joke at this point. can we please stop these players kissing Fehr's a$$ and get back to what we all want? the damn game!
- puckhead17

What risks? That he might lose a couple million dollars? Ed Snider has his fingers is no many pies, even back in 67 his "risks" were spread out in several areas.

I put risks in quotations because all you're talking about here are financial risks, which a good billionaire always levies appropriately so he will always have something to fall back on. A real risk in my mind is playing a sport that could render you at any given moment physically incapacitated or brain damaged for life.

debated this with you last night, I'm not taking one side over the other, this whole issue, fight, conundrum, is more about common sense than anything else, saying the players offer this and that, avoiding what my post was about, taking the NHL's offer puts them ahead of the NFL's players deal & no worse than the NBA's players offer.
but of course employees who feel that they should call the shots can't see the reality of this whole situation.
before Clarke and Parent and Barber could bring a cup to our city, Ed Snider had to assume all if the risks, and give birth to the damn team before any players could win anything, it's not about taking an owners or commissioners side, it's about a deal that puts you better or no less than the previously mentioned sports.
Jesus the average sports fan cant watch hockey on the TV, ESPN, we all know how they feel, this has become such a joke at this point. can we please stop these players kissing Fehr's a$$ and get back to what we all want? the damn game!
- puckhead17

Sure you're taking one side over the other. Pretty much every post you make you're blaming Fehr. And then you state that employees want to call the shots. I think the biggest problem is that in my opinion, you don't see the reality of the whole situation. And your post confirms that.

What risks? That he might lose a couple million dollars? Ed Snider has his fingers is no many pies, even back in 67 his "risks" were spread out in several areas.

I put risks in quotations because all you're talking about here are financial risks, which a good billionaire always levies appropriately so he will always have something to fall back on. A real risk in my mind is playing a sport that could render you at any given moment physically incapacitated or brain damaged for life.
- fattyboubatty

oh, goody, another guy who feels he's entitled to tell his billionaire boss what to do, so Snider, because he had his hands in so many pies, did nothing & had nothing to do with the birth of the franchise? Assumed no financial risks?, Hell, maybe he really didn't bring a team to Philly, it must have just appeared in the city.
You probably are more a fan of the lockout than the game we are supposed to be conversing about

oh, goody, another guy who feels he's entitled to tell his billionaire boss what to do, so Snider, because he had his hands in so many pies, did nothing & had nothing to do with the birth of the franchise? Assumed no financial risks?, Hell, maybe he really didn't bring a team to Philly, it must have just appeared in the city.
You probably are more a fan of the lockout than the game we are supposed to be conversing about
- puckhead17

ED SNIDER GAVE BIRTH TO THE (frank)ING FRANCHISE!!! SHOW A LITTLE (frank)ING RESPECT EVERYONE!!

Sure you're taking one side over the other. Pretty much every post you make you're blaming Fehr. And then you state that employees want to call the shots. I think the biggest problem is that in my opinion, you don't see the reality of the whole situation. And your post confirms that.
- MJL

Are you better or worse than the NBA??????????????????
what about the NFL?????????????????????????????????

deal wise with the latest offer, huh?

you dodged that again.

ED SNIDER GAVE BIRTH TO THE (frank)ING FRANCHISE!!! SHOW A LITTLE (frank)ING RESPECT EVERYONE!!
- Canada Cup

No, you haven't paid attention, I'm wrong again, the players did, right?

ED SNIDER GAVE BIRTH TO THE (frank)ING FRANCHISE!!! SHOW A LITTLE (frank)ING RESPECT EVERYONE!!
- Canada Cup

I guess the real question is, who gave birth to Ed Snider?

ED SNIDER GAVE BIRTH TO THE (frank)ING FRANCHISE!!! SHOW A LITTLE (frank)ING RESPECT EVERYONE!!
- Canada Cup

No, you haven't paid attention, I'm wrong again, the players did, right?

oh, goody, another guy who feels he's entitled to tell his billionaire boss what to do, so Snider, because he had his hands in so many pies, did nothing & had nothing to do with the birth of the franchise? Assumed no financial risks?, Hell, maybe he really didn't bring a team to Philly, it must have just appeared in the city.
You probably are more a fan of the lockout than the game we are supposed to be conversing about
- puckhead17

How exactly are the players telling their billionaire boss what to do?

Are you better or worse than the NBA??????????????????
what about the NFL?????????????????????????????????

deal wise with the latest offer, huh?

you dodged that again.
- puckhead17

Nothing was dodged. I understand what's going on. It seems as if you don't. So just blame Fehr!

Jesse Spector (@jessespector)
11/24/12, 19:33
Marty Brodeur puts on Flyers colors, gives up four goals in the blink of an eye. Somewhere, Ilya Bryzgalov is cackling.

Nothing was dodged. I understand what's going on. It seems as if you don't. So just blame Fehr!
- MJL

when you can't answer something, you dodge,

you feel they are entitled to a better deal than 2 other sports that make more revenue than them, because of the big ballsy bad advise player rep,

hope your enjoying the lockout MJL, I'm not.

when you can't answer something, you dodge,

you feel they are entitled to a better deal than 2 other sports that make more revenue than them, because of the big ballsy bad advise player rep,

hope your enjoying the lockout MJL, I'm not.
- puckhead17

Again, nothing was dodged. And I can answer any question on the lockout you want to throw at me. And I've never once stated that they are entitled to a better deal than 2 other sports that make more revenue. And again, your blaming Fehr.

And I assure you, I'm not enjoying the lockout.

oh, goody, another guy who feels he's entitled to tell his billionaire boss what to do, so Snider, because he had his hands in so many pies, did nothing & had nothing to do with the birth of the franchise? Assumed no financial risks?, Hell, maybe he really didn't bring a team to Philly, it must have just appeared in the city.
You probably are more a fan of the lockout than the game we are supposed to be conversing about
- puckhead17

No but I do feel I'm entitled to at least voice my displeasure for fu@king the game I love.

I hate this lock out but one thing it's done is reveal a little of what's going on behind the scenes. It's no surprise to me now why we don't have teams in Hamilton or Quebec city. It's solely because they would impact the long term profits of the two richest teams in the league.

How exactly are the players telling their billionaire boss what to do?
- MJL

By negotiating a collective bargaining agreement.

By negotiating a collective bargaining agreement.
- Canada Cup

I guess so! How dare they!

Ever since John Collins became NHL Chief Operating Officer, NHL grew faster than ever.

oh, goody, another guy who feels he's entitled to tell his billionaire boss what to do, so Snider, because he had his hands in so many pies, did nothing & had nothing to do with the birth of the franchise? Assumed no financial risks?, Hell, maybe he really didn't bring a team to Philly, it must have just appeared in the city.
You probably are more a fan of the lockout than the game we are supposed to be conversing about
- puckhead17

It all makes sense now. Just found out Ed Snider really did give birth to the AYN RAND INSTITUTE. Helping turn greedy little bast@rds like you onto his selfish agenda since 1985.

Majority of lockout issues would be considered moot if there was one simple concept.

No guaranteed contracts.

Yeah, and how many playoff appearances for the Jays or Royals over the last 20 years?
- steveb12344

Almost as many as the Oilers.......

Future of the league too, that is the whole point of my and the other guys post, the revenue sharing makes this a healthy league for everyone. The players aren't interested in folding teams as you are right, that's jobs lost. Revenue sharing allows the poor to spend like the rich, teams become more competitive, the league becomes more stable, and they all grow together, all the owners, all the players, and the fans get a better NHL.
- Boosinicka

The players took home something like 90+ percent of the revenue after expenses.
And you think revenue sharing is the solution.