Here's another headline:
"The fans believe the NHL and nhlpa wasted the entire summer"

Just remember where the revenue comes from because damage has already been done. Fans should blame both sides

Your all over the map, and really lack an understanding if the facts. Yes the old CBA doesn't exist anymore. But what does exist is the revenue generated in the League, the current players salaries, and the current percentage that the players are paid. So that all does still exist.
Accepting another large rollback of salaries, is not accepting the same. Honestly what are you talking about? Would the players still be well paid if they accept the League's requested rollback? Absolutely. But your missing what this is really about.



Again, your all over the map, and contradicting yourself. You state in one paragraph that the players should accept the same rollbacks that they did in the last CBA, because it worked out great for them. Then your saying that current contracts should be grandfathered in somehow. So which is it? You can't rollback salaries and accept the same as the last time, while grandfathering in current deals.
- MJL

I do not have the time right now for a full response. Let me attempt to clarify what I meant. The players are again fighting against signing a new CBA that needs to be done a certain way. Last time they fought it to the extent of losing a year of their careers and a years salary and ended up with a CBA that they didnt want but was absolutely great for them. How have they not learned that they are doing the same thing. Sign it and it WILL work great for them again....and I beleive this can be done while lowering the % going forward AND honoring existing contracts.

Well.... start with a lost season....there is 3.3 B loss right there.......plus add in another year or 2 to rebuild the fans trust and come back to support the game they love....do you really think that revenue is going to continue to grow @7% after this fiasco??
..............................not a chance
- billyberg10

But that's only a loss of revenues.

It's not a loss of profits.

Some franchises right now are better off not having a season - they will lose less money.

I do not have the time right now for a full response. Let me attempt to clarify what I meant. The players are again fighting against signing a new CBA that needs to be done a certain way. Last time they fought it to the extent of losing a year of their careers and a years salary and ended up with a CBA that they didnt want but was absolutely great for them. How have they not learned that they are doing the same thing. Sign it and it WILL work great for them again....and I beleive this can be done while lowering the % going forward AND honoring existing contracts.
- Donnie27J

Again, your don't have a grasp on what it's about. By doing so the players will be giving up millions, perhaps billions of dollars in future salary. It isn't about what is good for them. It's about what is fair. Sydney Crosby playing Hockey and making 1 million a year would be great. LOL Who wouldn't want to play a sport hey love to play and make a million bucks! But when the League is generating billions of dollars in revenue. It's about what is fair.

And as far as your last comment. What do you think the players have proposed? They've proposed lowering the % going forward while honoring existing deals. So why don't we have a CBA?

Now reverting back to the 57% mark 3 years from now, or whatever it is. Is a topic for negotiation. There is room there for movement on the players part. But the League doesn't want to discuss that. They want immediate rollbacks. Nor do the richer teams seem interested in helping out the poorer teams. Nobody is really focused on that part, which is one of the biggest battles in this lockout.

I say, let the NHL give the NHPLA what it wants.

Then the owners can decide just how much revenue sharing they really are willing to do. Draw the line in the sand and the remaining owners buy out the teams that don't make the cut. In other words, contract the league by 2 to 5 teams. Hold a dispersal draft. Definitely a cold solution and, due to bankruptcy laws, probably impossible. But it would be nice to see a "union" eliminate 50 to 125 jobs because they priced their labor out of the market. Can anyone say US Steel Industry?
- GeorgeBailey

Agreed The problem is not how much the players are making....the problem is how much revenue sharing is going on...Making the players pay to keep teams afloat is ridiculous. The problem here is bettman doesnt want to contract(we all know the 4 teams ) or relocate to better markets. As i look at it get rid of the floor(Which drives players salaries up) or contract. Making the players, the only ones to pay to keep Bettmans bastards afloat is unfair.

Here's another headline:
"The fans believe the NHL and nhlpa wasted the entire summer"

Just remember where the revenue comes from because damage has already been done. Fans should blame both sides
- Dman7

Both sides wastec a whole year, this is inexcusable.
Cancel the season and I hope the league suffers dearly for it.

oh and shoot bettman.

Again, your don't have a grasp on what it's about. By doing so the players will be giving up millions, perhaps billions of dollars in future salary. It isn't about what is good for them. It's about what is fair. Sydney Crosby playing Hockey and making 1 million a year would be great. LOL Who wouldn't want to play a sport hey love to play and make a million bucks! But when the League is generating billions of dollars in revenue. It's about what is fair.

And as far as your last comment. What do you think the players have proposed? They've proposed lowering the % going forward while honoring existing deals. So why don't we have a CBA?

Now reverting back to the 57% mark 3 years from now, or whatever it is. Is a topic for negotiation. There is room there for movement on the players part. But the League doesn't want to discuss that. They want immediate rollbacks. Nor do the richer teams seem interested in helping out the poorer teams. Nobody is really focused on that part, which is one of the biggest battles in this lockout.
- MJL

They wouldn't be giving up anything. Its not theirs to give up.

They wouldn't be giving up anything. Its not theirs to give up.
- Fakepartofme

Err, can you elaborate?

Err, can you elaborate?
- BulliesPhan87

CBA ended...they currently have nothing to give up.

CBA ended...they currently have nothing to give up.
- Fakepartofme

They still have their contracts, though. I don't think the CBA expiring voids them.

They still have their contracts, though. I don't think the CBA expiring voids them.
- BulliesPhan87

Yes of course they do. I'm referring to revenue sharing.

Who Cares. The NBA starts in 3 weeks.
- Leafsfan9329

says the guy who couldn't find www.basketballbuzz.com

Yes of course they do. I'm referring to revenue sharing.
- Fakepartofme

I'm not following. You contend the players have nothing to give up. But they have millions of dollars in salary contractually owed to them. Even if a new CBA can (and almost definitely will) alter the terms of that salary, they still have have something to give up. Hence the negotiations.

Both sides wastec a whole year, this is inexcusable.
Cancel the season and I hope the league suffers dearly for it.

oh and shoot bettman.
- Fakepartofme

Bettman's a mutt. Why don't the owners honor the contracts they have signed in good faith, and then maybe the PA will take the next step to solving this mess.

Again, your don't have a grasp on what it's about. By doing so the players will be giving up millions, perhaps billions of dollars in future salary. It isn't about what is good for them. It's about what is fair. Sydney Crosby playing Hockey and making 1 million a year would be great. LOL Who wouldn't want to play a sport hey love to play and make a million bucks! But when the League is generating billions of dollars in revenue. It's about what is fair.

And as far as your last comment. What do you think the players have proposed? They've proposed lowering the % going forward while honoring existing deals. So why don't we have a CBA?

Now reverting back to the 57% mark 3 years from now, or whatever it is. Is a topic for negotiation. There is room there for movement on the players part. But the League doesn't want to discuss that. They want immediate rollbacks. Nor do the richer teams seem interested in helping out the poorer teams. Nobody is really focused on that part, which is one of the biggest battles in this lockout.
- MJL

No, it isn't.

Sorry, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what is fair.

These negotiations are all about what one side can extract out of the other.

Go play with unicorns if you want an agreement that is about fairness.

This is business.

CBA ended...they currently have nothing to give up.
- Fakepartofme

Seriously? Offering to take a smaller share of revenues from what was in the expired CBA is a concession -- it is giving something up going into the next CBA

I'm not following. You contend the players have nothing to give up. But they have millions of dollars in salary contractually owed to them. Even if a new CBA can (and almost definitely will) alter the terms of that salary, they still have have something to give up. Hence the negotiations.
- BulliesPhan87

Ah ok I see where you are coming from. That's a minor part of the discussion. But yes I suppose if a roll back would take the players as a whole would could lose millions...however, concerning the revenue, right now they dont own any of it.

Seriously? Offering to take a smaller share of revenues from what was in the expired CBA is a concession -- it is giving something up going into the next CBA
- Canada Cup

Not its not...CBA ended....the old one has nothing to do with the new one.

Who Cares. The NBA starts in 3 weeks.
- Leafsfan9329

Umm we are talking about quality sports....the NBA isn't included in the discussion.

Not its not...CBA ended....the old one has nothing to do with the new one.
- Fakepartofme

That's a cute idea

They wouldn't be giving up anything. Its not theirs to give up.
- Fakepartofme

How is it not theirs to give up?

CBA ended...they currently have nothing to give up.
- Fakepartofme

Sure they do. There are existing contracts and salaries in place. The revenue of 3.3 Billion is still there to be divided up between players and teams. That view is incredibly shortisghted.

Agreed The problem is not how much the players are making....the problem is how much revenue sharing is going on...Making the players pay to keep teams afloat is ridiculous. The problem here is bettman doesnt want to contract(we all know the 4 teams ) or relocate to better markets. As i look at it get rid of the floor(Which drives players salaries up) or contract. Making the players, the only ones to pay to keep Bettmans bastards afloat is unfair.
- Philly1980

The problem with getting rid of the floor is that it will mean less money will be going around for players (and that's not in the best interest of the PA). In order for something like this to work the nhl will have to come up with some sort of luxury tax system, for richer teams to fork out the difference.

No, it isn't.

Sorry, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what is fair.

These negotiations are all about what one side can extract out of the other.

Go play with unicorns if you want an agreement that is about fairness.

This is business.
- Atomic Wedgie

Your incorrect. An agreement will be reached when each side feels they have a fair agreement that they can live with.

Ah ok I see where you are coming from. That's a minor part of the discussion. But yes I suppose if a roll back would take the players as a whole would could lose millions...however, concerning the revenue, right now they dont own any of it.
- Fakepartofme

That's a minor part of the discussion? LOL. It's the entire discussion. And again your incorrect that the players don't own the current revenue.