And not to mention Chicago owner claims he lost money in 2011-12... (source botta tweet). Chicago sells out at 20k fans a night.
Apparently the lock out is also the top 1/3 rich owners vs the bottom 2/3 for revenue sharing

All told, Wangs a smart guy..........im pretty sure he's not losing as much as he says. Regardless the isles are not in the green at year end. Either way, Wang is a shady cat......just ask Sanjay Kumar.
- kindlyrick

And that's the problem. Its not okay that a bunch of teams in the league lose money every year because their owners make money in other businesses. People can't say that changes don't need to be made with regards to revenue sharing or the defintion of "hockey-related income" because the owners who are losing money make money elsewhere. The business model of the NHL needs to be fixed so teams that are competently run, even in small markets, can operate in the green. I don't think that's the case right now and I certainly believe that the league's wealthy owners don't wany any part of increased revenue sharing.

How badly of a hit does the NHL take if this season gets cancelled? Im dumbfounded. It reminds me of two parents getting divorced and using the kids to get back at each other. The kids being us fans, who are the big losers....
- kindlyrick

I don't know. People were convinced that the last lockout would doom the game in the US and the fans came back, making the league more profitable now than ever before. The truth is, hockey is a game, in the US in particular, driven by the passionate fan, not the casual one. The league knows the passionate fans will come back. We always do. But I have a feeling that the league will be up and running by Thanksgiving. I can't imagine losing another entire season, although anything's possible.

And not to mention Chicago owner claims he lost money in 2011-12... (source botta tweet). Chicago sells out at 20k fans a night.
Apparently the lock out is also the top 1/3 rich owners vs the bottom 2/3 for revenue sharing
- Danformo

That's why I don't believe all the talk about a new arena is going to solve all the Islanders problems. It will solve one problem but until ownership is changed I expect the same results. Look at the Mets, they have a beautiful new ballpark, a few all stars but ownershp/management is lousy. Until that is resolved I see them continuing to be at the bottom of the standings.

Not arguing your post, but Wang has plenty of other business ventures, and losing money on the isles is a tax write off for him. Not saying it makes things equal, but its an easier pill to swallow if he's able to write off his islander losses.
- kindlyrick

i agree with this...but im talking bottom line IE post-loopholes and writeoffs and shmiteoffs. im saying NO ONE would continue doing something if at the end of the day they continuously lose millions upon millions of dollars

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On #Isles, possible NHL Seattle owner Don Levin to @CraigCustance - "They're not moving out of that market. No chance.
- eichiefs9

The $30 million dollar cable contract has a lot to do with it. The Islanders will never get that sort of cable deal somewhere else.

And that's the problem. Its not okay that a bunch of teams in the league lose money every year because their owners make money in other businesses. People can't say that changes don't need to be made with regards to revenue sharing or the defintion of "hockey-related income" because the owners who are losing money make money elsewhere. The business model of the NHL needs to be fixed so teams that are competently run, even in small markets, can operate in the green. I don't think that's the case right now and I certainly believe that the league's wealthy owners don't wany any part of increased revenue sharing.
- Jethro09

i dont think the islanders are necessarily a team id lump into this category. id say, assuming its true, the islanders are losing money because they cant draw crowds bc the team hasnt performed in years. just like in the real world, there are winners and losers in every deal. i think to say that some owners lose money every year and seem to be okay with it bc they make money in other businesses is a cop out honestly....again, most of these owners are BEST known for owning a hockey team, which obviously is a pretty public entity to own. why would they be ok losing money and in turn making themselves look bad simply bc they are doing well elsewhere. i dont buy it.

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UPDATE: Forward John Tavares has apparently moved beyond the early consideration stage in regards to playing overseas.

David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period, as of late Thursday afternoon:

"... I've received confirmation that Islanders center John Tavares' reps are speaking to a team in the KHL, along with some in other leagues ..."

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The top producer for the New York Islanders may spend part 2012-13 overseas.

Relaying a conversation with freelance writer Denis Gorman, IslandersPointBlank reports John Tavares said playing in Europe was an option:

"... definitely something I would consider ..."

The soon-to-be 22-year-old lead the Islanders with 81 points this past season.

- Victoria Matiash
- brodydog29

I hope he goes to to the Swiss or Austrian league but I'm sure the big money is in the KHL.

That's why I don't believe all the talk about a new arena is going to solve all the Islanders problems. It will solve one problem but until ownership is changed I expect the same results. Look at the Mets, they have a beautiful new ballpark, a few all stars but ownershp/management is lousy. Until that is resolved I see them continuing to be at the bottom of the standings.
- kear20

i think both teams being perpetual losers has plenty to do with it. whether thats managements fault is a different question; i personally think in the mets case it IS management (although now i think theyve hit rock bottom and SLOWLY working in the right direction with the right people-- assuming wilpon starts out of baseball operations). in the islanders case, i think management is fine and the organization is headed in the right direction (assuming wang stays out of hockey operations).

anyone that thinks a new arena solves all problems is a fool....i just dont think anyone believes its that simple.

i think both teams being perpetual losers has plenty to do with it. whether thats managements fault is a different question; i personally think in the mets case it IS management (although now i think theyve hit rock bottom and SLOWLY working in the right direction with the right people-- assuming wilpon starts out of baseball operations). in the islanders case, i think management is fine and the organization is headed in the right direction (assuming wang stays out of hockey operations).

anyone that thinks a new arena solves all problems is a fool....i just dont think anyone believes its that simple.
- LetsGoIsles

Well said... like you said, the owners of both franchises need to stay out of the operations end of the business...see the Mara's...when Wellington Mara gave the reigns to someone who knew football, the Giants became relevant again...

i dont think the islanders are necessarily a team id lump into this category. id say, assuming its true, the islanders are losing money because they cant draw crowds bc the team hasnt performed in years. just like in the real world, there are winners and losers in every deal. i think to say that some owners lose money every year and seem to be okay with it bc they make money in other businesses is a cop out honestly....again, most of these owners are BEST known for owning a hockey team, which obviously is a pretty public entity to own. why would they be ok losing money and in turn making themselves look bad simply bc they are doing well elsewhere. i dont buy it.
- LetsGoIsles

I agree. The owners losing money are not okay with it and shouldn't be. That's why there's division amongst the owners. the big-market owners making money don't want any change to revenue sharing. The teams losing money every year need there to be a change to revenue sharing, or else there's no point in them continuing to own an NHL franchise.

BTW, does anyone know exactly what revenue Wang sees from the coliseum? I know under the old lease with SMG he saw practically nothing. Is that still the case?

He should be arrested for neglect and child abuse.
- Cptmjl

And that's the problem. Its not okay that a bunch of teams in the league lose money every year because their owners make money in other businesses. People can't say that changes don't need to be made with regards to revenue sharing or the defintion of "hockey-related income" because the owners who are losing money make money elsewhere. The business model of the NHL needs to be fixed so teams that are competently run, even in small markets, can operate in the green. I don't think that's the case right now and I certainly believe that the league's wealthy owners don't wany any part of increased revenue sharing.
- Jethro09

This is the most important part of your post

i think both teams being perpetual losers has plenty to do with it. whether thats managements fault is a different question; i personally think in the mets case it IS management (although now i think theyve hit rock bottom and SLOWLY working in the right direction with the right people-- assuming wilpon starts out of baseball operations). in the islanders case, i think management is fine and the organization is headed in the right direction (assuming wang stays out of hockey operations).

anyone that thinks a new arena solves all problems is a fool....i just dont think anyone believes its that simple.
- LetsGoIsles

Really?

i think both teams being perpetual losers has plenty to do with it. whether thats managements fault is a different question; i personally think in the mets case it IS management (although now i think theyve hit rock bottom and SLOWLY working in the right direction with the right people-- assuming wilpon starts out of baseball operations). in the islanders case, i think management is fine and the organization is headed in the right direction (assuming wang stays out of hockey operations).
anyone that thinks a new arena solves all problems is a fool....i just dont think anyone believes its that simple.
- LetsGoIsles

You are one of the people that thinks he is running the team and pretty much is our acting GM with Snow just being a puppet. I actually have two questions. If you believe what I just said(which you have stated numerous times)why would you think management is fine? After all you say Wang is pulling the strings, right? How can you say management is fine and then say Wang needs to stay out of hockey operations when you are saying the guy is in so many words our GM? My second question is when you say "assuming Wang stays out of hockey operations" why would you think he would? According to your logic he never has? Why would he all of a sudden change his ways?

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UPDATE: Forward John Tavares has apparently moved beyond the early consideration stage in regards to playing overseas.

David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period, as of late Thursday afternoon:

"... I've received confirmation that Islanders center John Tavares' reps are speaking to a team in the KHL, along with some in other leagues ..."

***

The top producer for the New York Islanders may spend part 2012-13 overseas.

Relaying a conversation with freelance writer Denis Gorman, IslandersPointBlank reports John Tavares said playing in Europe was an option:

"... definitely something I would consider ..."

The soon-to-be 22-year-old lead the Islanders with 81 points this past season.

- Victoria Matiash
- brodydog29

While I am completely understanding and sympathetic of Euro & KHL players losing a spot on the roster to NHL players, I see this as a tactic of the players to encourage ownership to get a deal done. There's the very real chance of injury to players all the time....and I'd be damned, as an owner, to lose my superstar because he was playing on someone else's team. Not sure how the insurance works on thisngs like this and/or if the player loses his salary if injured elsewhere but it's a situation where nobody wins.

Really?
- Cptmjl

"really?" what?

really that anyone that thinks a new arena solves all problems is a fool?
really that i just dont think anyone believes its that simple?
really because you think i said one or both of these before?
was your "really?" sarcasm?

please clarify.

You are one of the people that thinks he is running the team and pretty much is our acting GM with Snow just being a puppet. I actually have two questions. If you believe what I just said(which you have stated numerous times)why would you think management is fine? After all you say Wang is pulling the strings, right? How can you say management is fine and then say Wang needs to stay out of hockey operations when you are saying the guy is in so many words our GM? My second question is when you say "assuming Wang stays out of hockey operations" why would you think he would? According to your logic he never has? Why would he all of a sudden change his ways?
- Cptmjl

lets start off by saying, i dont/havent/wont like charles wang as an owner.

never said the guy is the GM, ever! i have said that wangs voice is loud when deciding on players. i have said that garth is wangs puppet because wang puts serious limitations on garth in terms of spending money.

why would i think he stays out of operations? simply because once the team starts performing and drawing a crowd and wang has more capital to spend on players and spend above the floor and gives garth more flexibility, at the end of the day i dont believe he will be heavily involved in the operations of how garth wants to build the team.

This is the most important part of your post
- Cptmjl

Incompetently run teams will never run in the green, regardless of the NHL's business model. Competent decision making should be able to net a team in any market at least some sort of profit. If not, the business model doesn't work.

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If Don Levin is right, long-suffering New York Islanders fans will only have to worry about losing, not losing their team.
Ever since the Atlanta Thrashers became the Winnipeg Jets last year, the Isles and Phoenix Coyotes have topped the list of clubs many believe could be next to relocate, perhaps to Seattle or Quebec City. But a a day before another potential landing spot for the Islanders much closer to home -- Brooklyn's Barclays Center -- officially opened its doors, Levin, owner of the AHL's Chicago Wolves and a potential investor in a Seattle NHL team, told Insider's own Craig Custance that the Islanders aren't going anywhere.

"I can tell you there are not teams for sale that are available to move," Levin said. "The answer to the Islanders moving is never. They're not moving out of that market. No chance that's going to happen."

- Doug McIntyre

Incompetently run teams will never run in the green, regardless of the NHL's business model. Competent decision making should be able to net a team in any market at least some sort of profit. If not, the business model doesn't work.
- Jethro09

Well then the Islanders will continue to be in the red unless someone competent takes over.

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If Don Levin is right, long-suffering New York Islanders fans will only have to worry about losing, not losing their team.
Ever since the Atlanta Thrashers became the Winnipeg Jets last year, the Isles and Phoenix Coyotes have topped the list of clubs many believe could be next to relocate, perhaps to Seattle or Quebec City. But a a day before another potential landing spot for the Islanders much closer to home -- Brooklyn's Barclays Center -- officially opened its doors, Levin, owner of the AHL's Chicago Wolves and a potential investor in a Seattle NHL team, told Insider's own Craig Custance that the Islanders aren't going anywhere.

"I can tell you there are not teams for sale that are available to move," Levin said. "The answer to the Islanders moving is never. They're not moving out of that market. No chance that's going to happen."

- Doug McIntyre
- brodydog29

there never was a chance if them leaving NY

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lets start off by saying, i dont/havent/wont like charles wang as an owner.

never said the guy is the GM, ever! i have said that wangs voice is loud when deciding on players. i have said that garth is wangs puppet because wang puts serious limitations on garth in terms of spending money.

why would i think he stays out of operations? simply because once the team starts performing and drawing a crowd and wang has more capital to spend on players and spend above the floor and gives garth more flexibility, at the end of the day i dont believe he will be heavily involved in the operations of how garth wants to build the team.
- LetsGoIsles

This was a good installment of the LGI/Cpt radio show.

This was a good installment of the LGI/Cpt radio show.
- UIF

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