That enables you to have a good idea of who the top Oil King players are (and maybe some of the teams they play often), but it doesn't really give you a great indication of how well players on other teams/in other leagues are.
- laughs2907

This is true in a small way as like i do say I follow the oiler prospects which are in the OHL and also theQMJHL last year with Blain so I tend to follow thos teams also.
Saying that I am a lot more knowledgeable about the WHL. My whole point was just to say as a matter of fact that a player is only a fringe top ten player in the draft when not even a reg season game has been played

Still, it could be worse, he could be you.
- ALEDDO

If your opinion was more influential than dried dog turds that might mean more than nothing.

LMAO you are one of the fine fellows that thought Rienhart was a 10-15 pick last year and Sameulsson was a second rounder. Maybe if you listened to someone that is a real scout rather than someone that lives in the east and looks at things thru the Internet. Also I do have a little more info on the Oil King as i watch them listen to the games and to the people involved with them and the Oiler's. But unfortunatly you live in B.C. and would rather get you information second hand. Oh well your loss.
My scenerio with Lazar is only that way because the regular season hasn't started yet and unfortunatly haven't had the time to track the Oil Kings Pre season.
You see I do track the prospects of the Oilers and the upcoming prospects of the Oil Kings and Rebels on the computer, been that way since I lived in Camrose and realized it was cheaper to see games at the Red Deer Centrium than at just watch Pro games.
- longbottom

OK so at that, do you know anything about Alexander Barkov, Rasmus Ristolainen or Valeri Nichushkin?

OK so at that, do you know anything about Alexander Barkov, Rasmus Ristolainen or Valeri Nichushkin?
- BarDownBobo

pssshhh, i call eastern bias on you for mentioning those plugs.
oil kings rule all. lazar is 1 in rankings. i dont care what anyone says.

This is true in a small way as like i do say I follow the oiler prospects which are in the OHL and also theQMJHL last year with Blain so I tend to follow thos teams also.
Saying that I am a lot more knowledgeable about the WHL. My whole point was just to say as a matter of fact that a player is only a fringe top ten player in the draft when not even a reg season game has been played
- longbottom

That's just how he's been ranked by most sites out there as of right now... As the draft nears, more focus will be placed on these guys, and you may end up being correct... Who knows? By the time the draft comes around, he could be top 3. I don't think anyone will top MacKinnon though.

I'd love to get Seth Jones

OK so at that, do you know anything about Alexander Barkov, Rasmus Ristolainen or Valeri Nichushkin?
- BarDownBobo

Not much more than any of you:
Barkov: 17 6'2" 205lbs center plays in Finland has done nothing noticable at the worlds junior >18-3p in 7 games WJ>20 4p in 7 games. Drafted by Locomotive Yarslavo of the KHL 2nd overall.
Ristolainen: 17 6'3 207lbs defenseman. Again plays in Finland never played any WJ games drafted by Amur Khabarovsk 12overall KHL draft.
Nichushkin: 17 6'3 176lbs played 6 under 18 WJ games with 2 goals plays in russia not drafted in the KHL.

As opposed to Curtis Lazar:
Lazar: 17 6'0" C 198lbs played 63 games last season with the Kings as a 16 year old with 32p and 20 play-off games with 19p and 5 u17 games netting 3p.

Now I know that isn't much of a bio for them all but hell the real games haven't started yet.

That's just how he's been ranked by most sites out there as of right now... As the draft nears, more focus will be placed on these guys, and you may end up being correct... Who knows? By the time the draft comes around, he could be top 3. I don't think anyone will top MacKinnon though.
- laughs2907

I tend to agree I do not think he passes MacKinnon or even Jones. But we will see as the season goes, I went by Macgregors comments and know he had a hell of a good playoffs with 19p in 20 games. But does that mean anything this season no because this season hasn't started yet.

Not much more than any of you:
Barkov: 17 6'2" 205lbs center plays in Finland has done nothing noticable at the worlds junior >18-3p in 7 games WJ>20 4p in 7 games. Drafted by Locomotive Yarslavo of the KHL 2nd overall.
Ristolainen: 17 6'3 207lbs defenseman. Again plays in Finland never played any WJ games drafted by Amur Khabarovsk 12overall KHL draft.
Nichushkin: 17 6'3 176lbs played 6 under 18 WJ games with 2 goals plays in russia not drafted in the KHL.

As opposed to Curtis Lazar:
Lazar: 17 6'0" C 198lbs played 63 games last season with the Kings as a 16 year old with 32p and 20 play-off games with 19p and 5 u17 games netting 3p.

Now I know that isn't much of a bio for them all but hell the real games haven't started yet.
- longbottom

Actually, your wrong. Both Barkov and Ristolainen played in the World Junior Championships. And, considering they were both 16 they actually did good in it. Also they're both playing in the Finnish Pro League, Barkov got 0.5 PPG last season in said league. More of a resume than Lazar, just sayin.

Actually, your wrong. Both Barkov and Ristolainen played in the World Junior Championships. And, considering they were both 16 they actually did good in it. Also they're both playing in the Finnish Pro League, Barkov got 0.5 PPG last season in said league. More of a resume than Lazar, just sayin.
- BarDownBobo

wow. too easy.

it's like he purposely lobs the ball directly over the plate...

Not much more than any of you:
Barkov: 17 6'2" 205lbs center plays in Finland has done nothing noticable at the worlds junior >18-3p in 7 games WJ>20 4p in 7 games. Drafted by Locomotive Yarslavo of the KHL 2nd overall.
Ristolainen: 17 6'3 207lbs defenseman. Again plays in Finland never played any WJ games drafted by Amur Khabarovsk 12overall KHL draft.
Nichushkin: 17 6'3 176lbs played 6 under 18 WJ games with 2 goals plays in russia not drafted in the KHL.

As opposed to Curtis Lazar:
Lazar: 17 6'0" C 198lbs played 63 games last season with the Kings as a 16 year old with 32p and 20 play-off games with 19p and 5 u17 games netting 3p.

Now I know that isn't much of a bio for them all but hell the real games haven't started yet.
- longbottom

Youngest player to ever score a goal at the WJC's...

Actually, your wrong. Both Barkov and Ristolainen played in the World Junior Championships. And, considering they were both 16 they actually did good in it. Also they're both playing in the Finnish Pro League, Barkov got 0.5 PPG last season in said league. More of a resume than Lazar, just sayin.
- BarDownBobo

And yet both were drafted by KHL which goes against them as they may never come over here to play a game.
Lazar played in the CHL generally considered to be a league most like the NHL in behind the AHL. The KHL is a pro league but doesn't play as many games and isn't as physical. Lazar a center wasn't considered for the World Juniors since the talent level of players in their draft years and already drafted. Generally in Canada the 17yr olds are considered behind players already drafted. I do believe only a few players were considered at 16, seeing Lindros and Crosby both had to wait till they were 17 makes my point exactly.
Now don't go saying i compared Lazar to Lindros and Crosby since I am not, other than pointing that he beat their Canada Games records. Now you may drool over two Euro's who may never decide to come over, while for me I stay with the Canadian.

And yet both were drafted by KHL which goes against them as they may never come over here to play a game.
Lazar played in the CHL generally considered to be a league most like the NHL in behind the AHL. The KHL is a pro league but doesn't play as many games and isn't as physical. Lazar a center wasn't considered for the World Juniors since the talent level of players in their draft years and already drafted. Generally in Canada the 17yr olds are considered behind players already drafted. I do believe only a few players were considered at 16, seeing Lindros and Crosby both had to wait till they were 17 makes my point exactly.
Now don't go saying i compared Lazar to Lindros and Crosby since I am not, other than pointing that he beat their Canada Games records. Now you may drool over two Euro's who may never decide to come over, while for me I stay with the Canadian.
- longbottom

Everybody is drafted by the KHL Tavares is drafted by them as is Stamkos.

Everybody is drafted by the KHL Tavares is drafted by them as is Stamkos.
- AdamFrench

Lies!

Adam French was never drafted by the KHL.

Lies!

Adam French was never drafted by the KHL.
- laughs2907

Didn't exist when I was eligible.

Well I sucked anyways.

Youngest player to ever score a goal at the WJC's...
- AdamFrench

This is true as I pointed out in my last post after this not being considered for team Canada at 16 is no slight. Lindros, Crosby wern't Hell RNH has never been on the WJ team. While it does look good on the resume I can probaly name several team Canada players who did awesome there and did nothing at the NHL level. All I am saying is that despite playing 7 games and getting 4 points that really isn't that noticable when you consider he was what 4th-5th in scoring on his own team.
I do respect your opinion and since you did the top prospects of every country which I did read. I will still stick with the opinion of Stu Macgregor when he talks about rankings over the CIS and the ISS and hockey prospects.......etc.

Everybody is drafted by the KHL Tavares is drafted by them as is Stamkos.
- AdamFrench

lol Nichushkin wasn't.

lol Nichushkin wasn't.
- longbottom

He's playing in Russia, they use the MHL league as a feeder to the KHL much like the AHL does for the NHL so he's already property of his parent team. Barkov and Ristolainen don't play in Russia so they got drafted so the team holds their rights if they ever decide to go to the KHL just like if Taylor Hall wanted to play in the KHL during the lockout he'd have to play in AK Bars Kazan because they drafted him.

Didn't exist when I was eligible.

Well I sucked anyways.
- AdamFrench

Hey I gave hockey my best shot, my coach said since I can't skate, can't shoot, can't pass worth shyte, that my best bet to go any higher than midget is thuggery and being a fighter and hitter. Well when I played I wasn't big enough and payed dearly for having little player syndrom. It's harder to fight on skates than on pavement, ya want to believe. I know I took more beatings than Hordichuk and he can skate and shoot better than I. So I really sucked as well. I had another coach tell me that I was in the 99% section while only players in the 1% section get to have their dream. That's bad. Hell I tried out for the Rustlers when they were AJHL and I got laughed off the ice....lol

He's playing in Russia, they use the MHL league as a feeder to the KHL much like the AHL does for the NHL so he's already property of his parent team. Barkov and Ristolainen don't play in Russia so they got drafted so the team holds their rights if they ever decide to go to the KHL just like if Taylor Hall wanted to play in the KHL during the lockout he'd have to play in AK Bars Kazan because they drafted him.
- AdamFrench

Very true that is something I didn't realize.(spelling) Like I said earlier I do not know as much about euro prospects that don't play in the WHL. I can only go by what information I can find on the net about them. I do not use Hockeys Futures for info, That would be like getting the same info from Reveen.........lmao couldn't resist Reveen.

And yet both were drafted by KHL which goes against them as they may never come over here to play a game.
Lazar played in the CHL generally considered to be a league most like the NHL in behind the AHL. The KHL is a pro league but doesn't play as many games and isn't as physical. Lazar a center wasn't considered for the World Juniors since the talent level of players in their draft years and already drafted. Generally in Canada the 17yr olds are considered behind players already drafted. I do believe only a few players were considered at 16, seeing Lindros and Crosby both had to wait till they were 17 makes my point exactly.
Now don't go saying i compared Lazar to Lindros and Crosby since I am not, other than pointing that he beat their Canada Games records. Now you may drool over two Euro's who may never decide to come over, while for me I stay with the Canadian.
- longbottom

They're playing in the Finnish Elite, which is actually very comparable to NA game IIRC. They playba very physical style. Also, with regards to the not comin over, that's basically only a threat for Russians. They KHL isn't actually that viable for other Euros, since they have an import rule.

Oh, and as pointed out by the lovely French on Twitter, Barkov has 3 goals in 2 games this season. Beast.

He's playing in Russia, they use the MHL league as a feeder to the KHL much like the AHL does for the NHL so he's already property of his parent team. Barkov and Ristolainen don't play in Russia so they got drafted so the team holds their rights if they ever decide to go to the KHL just like if Taylor Hall wanted to play in the KHL during the lockout he'd have to play in AK Bars Kazan because they drafted him.
- AdamFrench

Tell me though how is the MHL considered amoung leagues, is it better than the SEL, FEL, CHL, AHL....etc? I would have thought it was on par with the BCHL or the AJHL even these two leagues get players drafted from them, not many but they do.

Didn't exist when I was eligible.

Well I sucked anyways.
- AdamFrench

Mmmmmm yes... Yes you did!

Tell me though how is the MHL considered amoung leagues, is it better than the SEL, FEL, CHL, AHL....etc? I would have thought it was on par with the BCHL or the AJHL even these two leagues get players drafted from them, not many but they do.
- longbottom

In terms of being a draft eligible player

KHL
SEL
FIN
OHL/WHL
QMJHL
MHL
SuperElit
USHL
USHS
BCHL
AJHL

and the rest of the various Euro leagues. The thing to note is that the first three are against men of any age and guys like Barkov was 15 in a professional league and held his own and is already dominating to start the year. Individual skill always trumps the league, but if you're 15/16 and in a men's league, chances are you're special.

MHL is basically the Russian equivalent of the CHL

And yet both were drafted by KHL which goes against them as they may never come over here to play a game.
Lazar played in the CHL generally considered to be a league most like the NHL in behind the AHL. The KHL is a pro league but doesn't play as many games and isn't as physical. Lazar a center wasn't considered for the World Juniors since the talent level of players in their draft years and already drafted. Generally in Canada the 17yr olds are considered behind players already drafted. I do believe only a few players were considered at 16, seeing Lindros and Crosby both had to wait till they were 17 makes my point exactly.
Now don't go saying i compared Lazar to Lindros and Crosby since I am not, other than pointing that he beat their Canada Games records. Now you may drool over two Euro's who may never decide to come over, while for me I stay with the Canadian.
- longbottom

Using ethnicity to make your argument in the last line.. channelling your inner Don Cherry lb.