My whole point is everyone here figures it's so easy to snap their fingers to get who they want. They don't figure in dealing with agents, then adding to that trying to fit people inunder a budget, then trying to get chemistry,. I have no idea how hard it is so I don't say jack about it.
For example lets use the Heatly trade to Edmonton as an example. You haggle with the opposing G.M. for weeks to come down to a trade in principle. You don't let your players know until it's finalized because you never know what is going to happen, then it comes out in the media wether thru the Agent or thru the other G.M. and it still falls apart because the player you were trying to trade for has a NT and he used it not to come to Edmonton. Now your dealing with telling your players that we tried to trade you but it didn't go down. then have to deal with the fall out for that.

Or go back in history a bit when Coffey was here his agent convinced him to hold out for more money or get traded.
There is more to being a G.M. than looking at the free agent list and whining that you want this player or that player or whining that a player we wanted to trade for got traded to another team.
Half of being a G.M. as you say is being in the old boys club, look at Mcguire or Maclean, yes they made mistakes but they are on the outside looking in. It's the relationships you build while playing is what gets you in. Look at Yserman then at Messier, Yserman was a bit more mellow and more friendly with other teams and players and Messier more intense and a jerk to others. Now Yserman is a G.M. and Messier is still wanting to be one.
I have never once thought it was an easy job, nor is it easy to get in. But there is more to resigning players and getting trades or free agents signed than some will give them credit for.
- longbottom

Oh I know there's a crap load of work involved... I just don't buy that because they have the positions they do, their hockey IQ is automatically higher than every poster on this board. Hugeb1tch gave a couple of good examples.

There iq is about that of a four year old

Oh I know there's a crap load of work involved... I just don't buy that because they have the positions they do, their hockey IQ is automatically higher than every poster on this board. Hugeb1tch gave a couple of good examples.
- laughs2907

yes.

i dont just think its a job anyone can do. i'm not naive enough to believe i can do the job no problem. i dont have a fukin clue about finance and business. even some of the 2 way contract nonsense mystifies me, and im forced to ask some of u on here.

but this whole line of thinking that everyone in the game is automatically a hockey genius and anyone whos not has no clue in comparison, is completely ridiculous.

there's numerous gms in the game currently and the past, that are doing or have done, a terrible job.
theyve done nothing but set their franchise back years.

i can also think of some posters on here that absolutely understand the game. and probably wouldnt have done a worse job...couldnt have really.
at least the hockey side of things..asst. gm maybe?

I agree with u not all gms know what there doing . Take long island for an example

yes.

i dont just think its a job anyone can do. i'm not naive enough to believe i can do the job no problem. i dont have a fukin clue about finance and business. even some of the 2 way contract nonsense mystifies me, and im forced to ask some of u on here.

but this whole line of thinking that everyone in the game is automatically a hockey genius and anyone whos not has no clue in comparison, is completely ridiculous.

there's numerous gms in the game currently and the past, that did a terrible job. theyve done nothing but set their franchise back years.
i can also think of some posters on here that absolutely understand the game. and probably wouldnt have done a worse job...couldnt have really.
at least the hockey side of things..asst. gm maybe?
- hugefemale dog77

Completely agree... As far as the business/finance thing goes, I bet 90% of the GMs have little knowledge in those areas. They delegate that crap.

Completely agree... As far as the business/finance thing goes, I bet 90% of the GMs have little knowledge in those areas. They delegate that crap.
- laughs2907

for sure.
didnt even think of it like that.

id assume the gms first directive is to put a winning product ON the ice. (sorry leaf fans)
and the second or 1A) to earn a profit for the owner.
with of course the first making the latter much much easier.

but as far as day to day finances, and assuming they own the building;
the concession/parking/merchandise etc etc etc prices and incomes probably being the job of asst. gm business or law school guy to take care of.

laughs--maybe the oil have an opening?
just dont sign gagner long term till he fukin earns it!!

I agree with u not all gms know what there doing . Take long island for an example
- hallwillcrushu

Still having trouble with that quote button are ya....

for sure.
didnt even think of it like that.

id assume the gms first directive is to put a winning product ON the ice. (sorry leaf fans)
and the second or 1A) to earn a profit for the owner.
with of course the first making the latter much much easier.

but as far as day to day finances, and assuming they own the building;
the concession/parking/merchandise etc etc etc prices and incomes probably being the job of asst. gm business or law school guy to take care of.

laughs--maybe the oil have an opening?
just dont sign gagner long term till he fukin earns it!!
- hugefemale dog77

The last two courses I've done were courses in strategic management. It's basically all about taking trends/financial information/current business practices, and translating those things into suggestions/action plans that the higher ups understand. I bet the GMs who are capable of doing this stuff don't even bother doing it. Those guys most likely get to do the fun stuff like making wish-lists, doing interviews, and contacting agents/potential players. Capologists and a-holes like Reveen and I probably do most of the sh1tty work.

Hey Lahey, those guys all have micropenises... Why would they even go on the show in the first place? Do the winner get that Real Doll or just a prostitute? Oh... It's a trip?

(frank), the first 1200 Fleshlights have a misprint!
- laughs2907

You better get a big bottle of white out and a sharpie and fix that poop

Slash prices already.
- Lahey

(frank) you.... misprints mean they're worth more

I mean my god, shave if that's all you have to offer.
- Lahey

They'd probably shave their penises off!

as per cnnsi;

the Alberta Labour Relations Board cancelled the hearing scheduled for Tuesday morning on the NHLPA’s challenge to the legality of a lockout by ownership in that province when the NHL apparently withdrew its claim against the union’s filing. That could pave the way for the Flames and Oilers players to report to training camp as scheduled regardless of what happens in the 28 other NHL cities, setting up a bizarre situation in which the players on these teams will be paid once the regular season is scheduled to begin, even if they have no games to play

Wayne Gretzky and other Canadian legends face off against retired Russian greats in St. Petersburg and Yaroslavl

http://video.oilers.nhl.c...catid=4&id=186066&lang=en

as per cnnsi;

the Alberta Labour Relations Board cancelled the hearing scheduled for Tuesday morning on the NHLPA’s challenge to the legality of a lockout by ownership in that province when the NHL apparently withdrew its claim against the union’s filing. That could pave the way for the Flames and Oilers players to report to training camp as scheduled regardless of what happens in the 28 other NHL cities, setting up a bizarre situation in which the players on these teams will be paid once the regular season is scheduled to begin, even if they have no games to play
- hugefemale dog77

Add Montreal to that list... (frank) yeah, let's have a 3 team league. Top 2 teams make the playoffs

Also, each team gets 10 first round draft picks next season!

My whole point is everyone here figures it's so easy to snap their fingers to get who they want. They don't figure in dealing with agents, then adding to that trying to fit people inunder a budget, then trying to get chemistry,. I have no idea how hard it is so I don't say jack about it.
For example lets use the Heatly trade to Edmonton as an example. You haggle with the opposing G.M. for weeks to come down to a trade in principle. You don't let your players know until it's finalized because you never know what is going to happen, then it comes out in the media wether thru the Agent or thru the other G.M. and it still falls apart because the player you were trying to trade for has a NT and he used it not to come to Edmonton. Now your dealing with telling your players that we tried to trade you but it didn't go down. then have to deal with the fall out for that.

Or go back in history a bit when Coffey was here his agent convinced him to hold out for more money or get traded.
There is more to being a G.M. than looking at the free agent list and whining that you want this player or that player or whining that a player we wanted to trade for got traded to another team.
Half of being a G.M. as you say is being in the old boys club, look at Mcguire or Maclean, yes they made mistakes but they are on the outside looking in. It's the relationships you build while playing is what gets you in. Look at Yserman then at Messier, Yserman was a bit more mellow and more friendly with other teams and players and Messier more intense and a jerk to others. Now Yserman is a G.M. and Messier is still wanting to be one.
I have never once thought it was an easy job, nor is it easy to get in. But there is more to resigning players and getting trades or free agents signed than some will give them credit for.
- longbottom

Good god man, asking your GM to add some quality depth isn't asking the world.

Good god man, asking your GM to add some quality depth isn't asking the world.
- Zombie

His issue is that you guys assume that every guy that gets signed should have been signed by the Oil. There is no reason to think that ST has not talked to these guys...the Oil are still bottom feeders, the quality depth players that you guys think should have been signed to the Oil are not really willing to go there, they want better teams to play on.

His issue is that you guys assume that every guy that gets signed should have been signed by the Oil. There is no reason to think that ST has not talked to these guys...the Oil are still bottom feeders, the quality depth players that you guys think should have been signed to the Oil are not really willing to go there, they want better teams to play on.
- OilHorse

Actually we didn't assume that, we both quite clearly stated that he may not have been interested in coming here.

That said, good players sign with weak teams all the time, so it's a pretty weak excuse to constantly go to.

Actually we didn't assume that, we both quite clearly stated that he may not have been interested in coming here.

That said, good players sign with weak teams all the time, so it's a pretty weak excuse to constantly go to.
- Zombie

Yet there you were bashing ST's lack of signings...but you have no idea whether or not he contacted Rosival, or any other players.

and many more good players go to potential contenders instead of teams that have been bottom 5 for 3 years running. So it is more than apt to say such...

Yet there you were bashing ST's lack of signings...but you have no idea whether or not he contacted Rosival, or any other players.

and many more good players go to potential contenders instead of teams that have been bottom 5 for 3 years running. So it is more than apt to say such...
- OilHorse

You should re-read what I wrote.

Yet there you were bashing ST's lack of signings...but you have no idea whether or not he contacted Rosival, or any other players.

and many more good players go to potential contenders instead of teams that have been bottom 5 for 3 years running. So it is more than apt to say such...
- OilHorse

You said

"the Oil are still bottom feeders, the quality depth players that you guys think sho have been signed to the Oil are not really willing to go there, they want better teams to play on."

Sure, good players sign with good teams, but they also sign with bad teams.

To summarize:

~ Being a GM is harder than most think, however, I would assume (safely assume mind you) that 97.379632296% of the work involved is delegated to lower-level employees.

~ Being a GM doesn't automatically mean your hockey IQ is higher than that of the average hockey fan. There are/have been several idiot managers that I recall, and I have little to no doubt that any inbred on this site could garner similar, or even better results.

~ Players that could help the Oilers are sometimes available, but because we do not obtain said player, does not mean our GM did not try to acquire him. The Oilers haven't made the playoffs in the last 6 years, and have been absolute garbage the last 3 seasons... Most players wish to go to decent teams, so that kind of hurts Edmonton's chances. Our kids are developing quite nicely, so shortly players will be a little more willing to join our team, and Tambs will have to produce.
- Right now it's kind of like being a really unattractive virgin. You could be hitting on the women non-stop, but you may not get laid. The only way to smash your v-card is to pay for a hooker (Give too much money to players or give them too long of a term) and then you're left with an itch you don't want (Some STD or cap issues in the NHL). Sure we have great genes (Hall/Ebs/RNH/Yakupov) but whores care more about what we have now, and that's an incredibly small member that can't get an erection (finishing at the bottom during the last 3 seasons)

To summarize:

~ Being a GM is harder than most think, however, I would assume (safely assume mind you) that 97.379632296% of the work involved is delegated to lower-level employees.

~ Being a GM doesn't automatically mean your hockey IQ is higher than that of the average hockey fan. There are/have been several idiot managers that I recall, and I have little to no doubt that any inbred on this site could garner similar, or even better results.

~ Players that could help the Oilers are sometimes available, but because we do not obtain said player, does not mean our GM did not try to acquire him. The Oilers haven't made the playoffs in the last 6 years, and have been absolute garbage the last 3 seasons... Most players wish to go to decent teams, so that kind of hurts Edmonton's chances. Our kids are developing quite nicely, so shortly players will be a little more willing to join our team, and Tambs will have to produce.
- Right now it's kind of like being a really unattractive virgin. You could be hitting on the women non-stop, but you may not get laid. The only way to smash your v-card is to pay for a hooker (Give too much money to players or give them too long of a term) and then you're left with an itch you don't want (Some STD or cap issues in the NHL). Sure we have great genes (Hall/Ebs/RNH/Yakupov) but whores care more about what we have now, and that's an incredibly small member that can't get an erection (finishing at the bottom during the last 3 seasons)
- laughs2907

Ummmm thanks for you life summary Laugh's....no worries my friend when your cockmilker job gets you rolling in the dough you'll have bitches begging for you to ride them, small cock or no.

You said

"the Oil are still bottom feeders, the quality depth players that you guys think sho have been signed to the Oil are not really willing to go there, they want better teams to play on."

Sure, good players sign with good teams, but they also sign with bad teams.
- Zombie

And yet less so for the poor teams and more so for the good teams.

My point, and maybe I don't have you as a direct quote, but you and bitch tend to mimic similar thoughts, is that too often when there is a signing made of a guy that could have helped the Oil, certain posters start going on about how ST is just coasting. There is more behind the scenes than we are privy to, we all know this. It is the belly aching that gets to me. I have 3 young kids and I hear enough of that crap when things don't go their way, I figure that I am dealing with adults (for the most part) here and that I would not have to hear that kind of stuff.

And yet less so for the poor teams and more so for the good teams.

My point, and maybe I don't have you as a direct quote, but you and bitch tend to mimic similar thoughts, is that too often when there is a signing made of a guy that could have helped the Oil, certain posters start going on about how ST is just coasting. There is more behind the scenes than we are privy to, we all know this. It is the belly aching that gets to me. I have 3 young kids and I hear enough of that crap when things don't go their way, I figure that I am dealing with adults (for the most part) here and that I would not have to hear that kind of stuff.
- OilHorse

Well there is quite a few instances where ST could've made this team better but didn't. Blair Betts, was training with Oil player late in the summer just waiting for someone to give him a contract and even said he'd be open to it.

The trade for Buffalo man, Sopel, Eager and Aliu is something we should've been able to beat.

Meszaros for a 2nd

Ladd for b level prosepect and 2nd

Reasoner moved numerous times

Wizneiwski for a 3rd

etc.. etc.. etc..


There are all sorts of things ST could've done I just don't think it was really in the cards and I still hope he does something before the 12-13 starts. Although if there is a 2 month lockout the need for a top 4 d-man might not be there.

To summarize:

~ Being a GM is harder than most think, however, I would assume (safely assume mind you) that 97.379632296% of the work involved is delegated to lower-level employees.

~ Being a GM doesn't automatically mean your hockey IQ is higher than that of the average hockey fan. There are/have been several idiot managers that I recall, and I have little to no doubt that any inbred on this site could garner similar, or even better results.

~ Players that could help the Oilers are sometimes available, but because we do not obtain said player, does not mean our GM did not try to acquire him. The Oilers haven't made the playoffs in the last 6 years, and have been absolute garbage the last 3 seasons... Most players wish to go to decent teams, so that kind of hurts Edmonton's chances. Our kids are developing quite nicely, so shortly players will be a little more willing to join our team, and Tambs will have to produce.
- Right now it's kind of like being a really unattractive virgin. You could be hitting on the women non-stop, but you may not get laid. The only way to smash your v-card is to pay for a hooker (Give too much money to players or give them too long of a term) and then you're left with an itch you don't want (Some STD or cap issues in the NHL). Sure we have great genes (Hall/Ebs/RNH/Yakupov) but whores care more about what we have now, and that's an incredibly small member that can't get an erection (finishing at the bottom during the last 3 seasons)
- laughs2907

This "wont go to a bad team" stuff is really blown out of proportion. Look at the UFA lists from the last 3 years, I'd bet of the top 25 UFA's each summer almost as many go to bottom 10 teams as top 10 teams.