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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:34 PM ET
I think I would look at taking a Shot at Colaiacovo as well as looking at a possible trade with Winnipeg. Enstrom may have signed and Byfuglien maybe out of the picture. But Hainsey & Clitsome are all UFA's next year. Hainsey is solid while Clitsome has some Offensive upside. Or if we really wanted to unload some talent for the future Bogosian would not be a bad investment.

As Homer was already kicking the tires on trades, I think Mez going down opened the floor with another Defensive spot.

Needless to say, this all kind of sucks.

- flyler


You make solid points. However, Homer has known about Mez's injury for over a week now. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives his own current roster players a chance before making a move.
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:38 PM ET
Reagrdless, our D is still better than the Pens as is. Don't see why we can't compete and contend with the rest of the East.
- LordStanley88


You think? I would say it was close giving the edge to the Flyers before Mez was ruled out. I see us with the edge now, slight one but one none the less.

The young guys we have showed success in the NHL already. Small sample area but better then nothing. Our d prospect pool is pretty deep. Even after saying this I hope we go and get a 5-6 player.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 7 @ 1:39 PM ET
Ek has the solution: Sean ODonnell
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Aug 7 @ 1:40 PM ET
Ek has the solution: Sean ODonnell
- Crimsoninja

boom
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 7 @ 1:41 PM ET
Ek has the solution: Sean ODonnell
- Crimsoninja


That should be option z (thats being nice).
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Aug 7 @ 1:42 PM ET
Agreed...now that Mesz is injured, I also have a strange urge to trade away some of our top players in the hopes of getting other players who may not be as good as them.
- feelingkettle


Better then trading any of our youth for some stop-gap like Jaybo or Gonchar. If your not thinking rebuild, then at least just sign some guys like CC or something, see where we are at in Feb and move from there.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 7 @ 1:45 PM ET
Better then trading any of our youth for some stop-gap like Jaybo or Gonchar. If your not thinking rebuild, then at least just sign some guys like CC or something, see where we are at in Feb and move from there.
- SchennBros


What makes you think the Flyers are anywhere near a rebuild? They had 103 points last season.

I'm not understanding your logic here.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Aug 7 @ 1:47 PM ET
Coburn Ryan
Grossmann Schenn
Kimmo Gusty


woo hoo, 2 RH Dmen
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Aug 7 @ 1:48 PM ET
Coburn Ryan
Grossmann Schenn
Kimmo Gusty


woo hoo, 2 RH Dmen

- aosplayo

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aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Aug 7 @ 1:50 PM ET
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- aightwebang17







I figured B Ryan could play anywhere.........
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Aug 7 @ 1:53 PM ET
What makes you think the Flyers are anywhere near a rebuild? They had 103 points last season.

I'm not understanding your logic here.

- KGBflyers10


Maybe rebuild is the wrong term... Retool. The Flyers lost Carle, Jagr, Bobrovsky, and now Meszaros. We traded JVR for Schenn which was a lateral move IMO... You really cant say this team is better then last years, and the Rangers have only gotten better, and the Penguins have 2 of the top players in the league and 1 defenseman that is near the top....

I can easily see us making the playoffs as a low seed, or missing them all together. Even if we do make the playoffs, to go through NYR, Pitt, Boston.... I dont know man....

I think I would rather protect the core of the team, and see if I can get assets for our soon to be departed vets like Hartnell and Timonen.. Maybe you can even move Briere to give Schenn and Couts time at center (though its not likely). Then use the picks/prospects to restock the minors and keep the youth movement going while targeting UFA's next off-season to replace what we lost this year....

Though I could be overeacting, its just how I feel right now.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Aug 7 @ 1:55 PM ET
You think? I would say it was close giving the edge to the Flyers before Mez was ruled out. I see us with the edge now, slight one but one none the less.

The young guys we have showed success in the NHL already. Small sample area but better then nothing. Our d prospect pool is pretty deep. Even after saying this I hope we go and get a 5-6 player.

- kgrpitt


It's defiitely a lot closer now, but I want to see how guys like Morrow, Despres, etc. fare with more minutes before I'd give the Pens an edge.

You definitely have a nice pipeline, but that doesn't mean zilch at the moment.

Plus, by all acounts Meszy will be back by the playoffs barring mutliple setbacks.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Aug 7 @ 1:55 PM ET
What makes you think the Flyers are anywhere near a rebuild? They had 103 points last season.

I'm not understanding your logic here.

- KGBflyers10


Yea, it's ludicrous to think the Flyers are in rebuild mode. They will compete this year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 1:59 PM ET
I think I would look at taking a Shot at Colaiacovo as well as looking at a possible trade with Winnipeg. Enstrom may have signed and Byfuglien maybe out of the picture. But Hainsey & Clitsome are all UFA's next year. Hainsey is solid while Clitsome has some Offensive upside. Or if we really wanted to unload some talent for the future Bogosian would not be a bad investment.

As Homer was already kicking the tires on trades, I think Mez going down opened the floor with another Defensive spot.

Needless to say, this all kind of sucks.

- flyler



The thing is that the Flyers may not be interested in a multi year deal for Colaiacovo.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Aug 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
The thing is that the Flyers may not be interested in a multi year deal for Colaiacovo.
- MJL


Yea, I wouldn't be either.

I'd prefer Roszival, or someone like that, for 1 year.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
Yea, it's ludicrous to think the Flyers are in rebuild mode. They will compete this year.
- LordStanley88


Yes they will. It's too early to write off the season when so much can happen.
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
It's defiitely a lot closer now, but I want to see how guys like Morrow, Despres, etc. fare with more minutes before I'd give the Pens an edge.

You definitely have a nice pipeline, but that doesn't mean zilch at the moment.

Plus, by all acounts Meszy will be back by the playoffs barring mutliple setbacks.

- LordStanley88


When Despres was up last year he made solid plays and no bone headed rookie mistakes. I think he will be a definite this year but as you said Morrow is a toss up. We have Martin, Orpik (first summer for 3 years he hasn't needed surgery), Nisk (who showed he is a solid option last year), and last but not least Letang. Then to round it out Eng, Strait and Lovejoy.

I seriously think Despres plays in the top four this year. Next year I will be more comfortable with the young guys once Harrington, Morrow, Dumoulin (who was looked highly upon in Carolina) etc get some more experience.

As you said Mez will be back for the playoffs and that is what matters. Should be interesting to see if either the flyers or pens sign anyone else this offseason or just roll the dice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
Maybe rebuild is the wrong term... Retool. The Flyers lost Carle, Jagr, Bobrovsky, and now Meszaros. We traded JVR for Schenn which was a lateral move IMO... You really cant say this team is better then last years, and the Rangers have only gotten better, and the Penguins have 2 of the top players in the league and 1 defenseman that is near the top....

I can easily see us making the playoffs as a low seed, or missing them all together. Even if we do make the playoffs, to go through NYR, Pitt, Boston.... I dont know man....

I think I would rather protect the core of the team, and see if I can get assets for our soon to be departed vets like Hartnell and Timonen.. Maybe you can even move Briere to give Schenn and Couts time at center (though its not likely). Then use the picks/prospects to restock the minors and keep the youth movement going while targeting UFA's next off-season to replace what we lost this year....

Though I could be overeacting, its just how I feel right now.

- SchennBros


Isn't there such a thing as the young players getting better that are already on the team? So there is a built in mechanism for the team to be better then last year as far as that goes, that is seems your overlooking. And you can't have a team of all young players. You need veterans in the mix.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 7 @ 2:08 PM ET
FYI, Homer would not confirm nor deny that Pronger was attempting a comeback in his interview this morning. Timmy asked the question.
- LordStanley88


I said before that Watson told me Pronger was going to attempt a comeback this year. Whether it was wishful thinking or a sign that he's not as bad as previously thought, I'm not sure. All I know is he's a warrior and if he can play he will. That being said, I'm not going to hold my breath. There's a big difference between attempting a comeback and actually accomplishing it.

I wonder what they will do now with Mez sidelined. They have to wonder whether or not he's going to be able to be the impact player we were hopin for after back and Achilles surgery. That will put him off the ice for almost if not an entire year if you exclude the one playoff game he played in.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:08 PM ET
Mez has been a health disaster. I like him a lot when healthy.

I say we do nothing.

Has MJL opined on cap/roster options? I would like to hear.


Timmo Grossmann
Coburn Luke Schenn
MAB Ricky Gervais


Congrats Luke - the force is with you. You are now in the top 4.

Life moves on.


-Jersey Gent

- Daman

So what happens when Timo or Grossman is injured?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 7 @ 2:10 PM ET
Maybe rebuild is the wrong term... Retool. The Flyers lost Carle, Jagr, Bobrovsky, and now Meszaros. We traded JVR for Schenn which was a lateral move IMO... You really cant say this team is better then last years, and the Rangers have only gotten better, and the Penguins have 2 of the top players in the league and 1 defenseman that is near the top....

I can easily see us making the playoffs as a low seed, or missing them all together. Even if we do make the playoffs, to go through NYR, Pitt, Boston.... I dont know man....

I think I would rather protect the core of the team, and see if I can get assets for our soon to be departed vets like Hartnell and Timonen.. Maybe you can even move Briere to give Schenn and Couts time at center (though its not likely). Then use the picks/prospects to restock the minors and keep the youth movement going while targeting UFA's next off-season to replace what we lost this year....

Though I could be overeacting, its just how I feel right now.

- SchennBros


chill, roonos
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:10 PM ET
I said before that Watson told me Pronger was going to attempt a comeback this year. Whether it was wishful thinking or a sign that he's not as bad as previously thought, I'm not sure. All I know is he's a warrior and if he can play he will. That being said, I'm not going to hold my breath. There's a big difference between attempting a comeback and actually accomplishing it.

I wonder what they will do now with Mez sidelined. They have to wonder whether or not he's going to be able to be the impact player we were hopin for after back and Achilles surgery. That will put him off the ice for almost if not an entire year if you exclude the one playoff game he played in.

- funmaster18


I'm not expecting anything from Mez for this season. The team has to take the approach that he will not return.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 7 @ 2:12 PM ET
So what happens when Timo or Grossman is injured?
- Richieattack18


They go to Lilja, Gustafsson, or Manning.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 7 @ 2:13 PM ET
So what happens when Timo or Grossman is injured?
- Richieattack18


They have three 7th dmen in the lineup instead of two.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Aug 7 @ 2:19 PM ET
Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
As of now, I see the US WJC pairings work out as follows: Reilly-Jones, Skjei-Trouba, Gostisbehere-Murphy. Welinski as the extra.

Can we try to get the nickname Ghostface Killah going?

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