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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jul 26 @ 1:53 PM ET
parsley, sage and rosemary feel left out...
- isaiah520


I will rite that rong laughter.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 26 @ 1:55 PM ET

- rockychocbill



That is a bit discriminatory against alternate lifestyles don't you think?
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:57 PM ET
That is a bit discriminatory against alternate lifestyles don't you think?
- MBFlyerfan


He's just trying to spice things up in here.
SouthNash
Nashville Predators
Joined: 03.11.2011

Jul 26 @ 1:59 PM ET
I suspect as they loose more money wilson will gain a larger share of the pie...Once he has majority control he will move that team to canada that same night...where the real profits are. Nashville fans are kidding themselves if they think wilson is looking out for their best interests. hes just dreaming of the profits that are going to come in a canadian market. that team is gone in 4 yrs max.
- Philly1980

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:00 PM ET
many have insisted there's no way homer would move schenn for another dman if he wouldn't do it for weber...whether schenn was even on the table for weber is pure conjecture and beside the point.


- isaiah520


Many or a few?


having JVR obviously gives us more forward depth so moving schenn is not as much of a loss...pretty obvious. I'll repeatedly push pk and bogo as 2 guys that are worth pursuing because I believe in their potential...seems like many others are coming to similar conclusions. we'll have to see if they reach their potential. it appears as if bogo would be more available.


- isaiah520


It's not pretty obvious to me. Having JVR doesn't lessen B. Schenn's value or importance to this team. Nor does it make it more easier to deal him. What makes it seem that Bogosian would be more available?



I dont recall saying that you would object to moving b schenn...you keep harping on how I'm selling his brother short, but my point is that homer shouldn't have been involved w/ Luke to begin with if we were left with such an obvious need. save the asset and use a more valuable asset to get the plyr w/ the higher ceiling and you've made one move to accomplish your goal. right now, the flyers have good plyrs but a questionable mix and injury concerns.


- isaiah520


The player with the higher ceiling has to be available, and for the same price. A point that you seem to be overlooking. Again, it's not NHL 12.

I disagree that Holmgren shouldn't have been involved with Luke Schenn. Again I think your selling the player and his potential short.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 26 @ 2:02 PM ET

- SouthNash


damn you guys still trolling in here....i knew that would bring you out of the woodworks.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:17 PM ET
Ginger


then you have pickled Ginger

- phi1671


isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 26 @ 2:17 PM ET
Many or a few?



It's not pretty obvious to me. Having JVR doesn't lessen B. Schenn's value or importance to this team. Nor does it make it more easier to deal him. What makes it seem that Bogosian would be more available?



The player with the higher ceiling has to be available, and for the same price. A point that you seem to be overlooking. Again, it's not NHL 12.

I disagree that Holmgren shouldn't have been involved with Luke Schenn. Again I think your selling the player and his potential short.

- MJL

maybe you ought to read my original post instead of parsing words...or better yet, move on, cause if you don't get what I said earlier- id rather have JVR/bogo than the schenns - then this is all a waste of time. it's pretty clear that I think that homer acted too soon getting rid of JVR and the rest of the concept is pretty simple. we just disagree...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 26 @ 2:18 PM ET
What just happened?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:20 PM ET

- aightwebang17



nailed it
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:20 PM ET
What just happened?
- stveshdy



it got a little spicy in here
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:20 PM ET
What just happened?
- stveshdy


Holmgren made Voracek a rich man.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:24 PM ET
we still need a winger and a Dman
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:24 PM ET

- rockychocbill

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:25 PM ET
So very happy about getting Jake for 4 years.
I think the money is about right given the inflationary times.

Any inkling if he has the infamous 3 letter Homer add on? (NTC)


gayest spice? wtf is wrong with you people
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:25 PM ET

- aightwebang17

spicy redheads
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:26 PM ET
So very happy about getting Jake for 4 years.
I think the money is about right given the inflationary times.

Any inkling if he has the infamous 3 letter Homer add on? (NTC)


gayest spice? wtf is wrong with you people

- Marc D

the aftermath of letdown
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 26 @ 2:27 PM ET
we still need a winger and a Dman
- vejim


Any suggestions?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:28 PM ET
the aftermath of letdown
- vejim

ahh...got it

dreams of big Weber in Orange
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:28 PM ET
Any suggestions?
- stveshdy

I am thinking of a Dman from Coyotes or a Dman from Isles/Ducks?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
maybe you ought to read my original post instead of parsing words...or better yet, move on, cause if you don't get what I said earlier- id rather have JVR/bogo than the schenns - then this is all a waste of time. it's pretty clear that I think that homer acted too soon getting rid of JVR and the rest of the concept is pretty simple. we just disagree...
- isaiah520



I read exactly what you said. Speaking of straw man arguments, I have no idea how a few posters saying that it seems as though Holmgren doesn't want to trade B. Schenn, turns into posters giving you hell for wanting to deal for a young high potential defenseman. Or how it makes B Schenn a "sacred cow".

And as I said before, I'd rather have a lot of players. But it isn't NHL 12. Luke Schenn was available in a trade. So far it seems as though Bogosian isn't.

You think that Holmgren got rid of JVR too soon because you've undervalued Luke Schenn.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
So very happy about getting Jake for 4 years.
I think the money is about right given the inflationary times.

Any inkling if he has the infamous 3 letter Homer add on? (NTC)


gayest spice? wtf is wrong with you people

- Marc D



he may be able to have an ntc in the final year, but before that i believe he is not eligible



re the spice talk, people got a little carriedaway seed...
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:30 PM ET
you know Homer is itchin to trade draft picks
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:31 PM ET
I am thinking of a Dman from Coyotes or a Dman from Isles/Ducks?
- vejim



if visnovsky gets sent back to the ducks i'd give a 2nd for him
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 26 @ 2:31 PM ET
he may be able to have an ntc in the final year, but before that i believe he is not eligible



re the spice talk, people got a little carriedaway seed...

- Don'tForgetTocchet

or we just got curried away
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