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Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 1:29 AM ET
Ya the Dee bashing is out of control. I disagree with her take on DP very strongly and a lot of other things but she does provide us a forum to talk about the isles and she does it for free. We don't pay her for this service. She is also a passionate isles fan who just wants to see them win like we all do
- Isles316

True but the complete utter lack of knowledge is reprehensible as well as her calling fan's out and questioning their loyalty. Blaming fans for the Islanders problems in one of her blogs did not help.
Dan Petriw
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 12.03.2006

Jul 25 @ 4:35 AM ET
Garth shoulda packaged Okposo, Grabner, a d prospect (donovan or dehaan) and a pick and went after Rick Nash. The Rangers just added one of the best forwards in the game.
- kindlyrick


Nash finished near 60th in scoring last season. Not exactly tearing it up. On the way down in his career and he has to fill Gabby's shoes the first 2,3 months of season. Maybe more. I think the Rangers got the better end of the trade and since money doesn't matter to the Dolans, his overpaid contract won't hurt the rags. But all in all, it's your typical NYR trade for an overpaid player past his prime. I don't think he's the missing piece for their run to the cup but hey, ya never know.

On the other part of that quote, Garth doesn't have the stones to get er done. We shouldn't have to give up all of that for Ryan....some draft picks in place of Strome or Lee or Nelson but there's gotta be a package that's better than most other teams can offer....I mean, we have all these prospects, right? They won't all pan out nor do we have room for all of 'em, so at some point, you have to jump into the game and make some trades....before we hit the bottom of the barrel.

Oh, that's right....nobody wants to come here.....boo f'in hoo....
Can't believe I'm saying this but at least Milbury TRIED.
And sometimes, the only thing worse than making a mistake is making no move at all.

- jmo16



Nash had a no trade clause and we were not one of the teams on his list..suprise suprise...so bash garth about something else...also in regards to ryan anaheim wants a second line center...we don't have one...
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 5:32 AM ET
It isn't b.s. look it up. Weekend games. Any game on a Saturday or Sunday they averaged that. I was there too
- Isles316



It is BS.........I dont care what they say. Look Sunday games are usually kid oriented, so those games do have a decent attendance. Saturday night games are usually the second decent crowd, especially when its a "name" team. The fact of the matter is, the tickets go down to next to nothing after the first half of the season when the isles are already out of it.

More often then not, the 300s are never packed. In order for the isles to reach the 14+ thousand mark, the 300's need to be pretty much full. The only time that happens is during a Ranger game, or a sunday mascot game.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 5:35 AM ET
We're in year five of this rebuild (or 4 if you listen to some). You're saying that 2 (or is it 3?) years into it you were fed up with a rebuild that even Snow admitted would take five years? Sounds like unreasonable expectations to me.
- PeteM



Not trying to compare, BUT when the isles parted ways with Neil Smith they interviewed a few different guys for the GM job. One of which was Dean Lombardi who ended up with the kings......
steelm44
New York Islanders
Location: leesburg, FL
Joined: 07.06.2012

Jul 25 @ 7:46 AM ET
Seriously? RDP has never been and will never be a NHL quality starting goaltender. He will be remembered for having a GLASS JAW, a fragile body, and a example of what steroids do to a young body(injuries). And please do not say he can handle the puck! Is there a stat that shows how many times he screwed up playing the puck resulting in goals against? So to summerize, RDP is a total and complete waste of precious oxygen! He is like a little yellow piss stain on the front of our beloved NYI patch. He is like a lame horse that needs to be put down!
dcb1
New York Islanders
Location: Oak Ridge, NJ
Joined: 07.08.2006

Jul 25 @ 7:47 AM ET
I think one quote in this interview is telling: stop the puck. Yes, Ricky, stop the d*mn puck. The problem is....you don't. You give up three goals in the first four shots and the team quits. You can no longer move from one side of the net to the other, and for a guy who plays goal employing the unorthodox style that you do, that's the end of your career. THE END. It's never been about "Rick's an a**hole", and the problem is, when you criticize someone, that's usually the lame-a**ed defense- "but he's a good guy". I really don't care about that- I want to see a goaltender who doesn't cause me to reach for the Nexium every five minutes.

Milbury WAS right about one thing- you build a team from the goal out. Too bad this one isn't the answer to that proposition...but it's time to accept it, and move on. I for one am tired of having to watch cr*p in this franchise's apparent feeble attempt to justify something that means nothing to me.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 8:01 AM ET
I think one quote in this interview is telling: stop the puck. Yes, Ricky, stop the d*mn puck. The problem is....you don't. You give up three goals in the first four shots and the team quits. You can no longer move from one side of the net to the other, and for a guy who plays goal employing the unorthodox style that you do, that's the end of your career. THE END. It's never been about "Rick's an a**hole", and the problem is, when you criticize someone, that's usually the lame-a**ed defense- "but he's a good guy". I really don't care about that- I want to see a goaltender who doesn't cause me to reach for the Nexium every five minutes.

Milbury WAS right about one thing- you build a team from the goal out. Too bad this one isn't the answer to that proposition...but it's time to accept it, and move on. I for one am tired of having to watch cr*p in this franchise's apparent feeble attempt to justify something that means nothing to me.

- dcb1



Very well said.......
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 8:02 AM ET
Nash had a no trade clause and we were not one of the teams on his list..suprise suprise...so bash garth about something else...also in regards to ryan anaheim wants a second line center...we don't have one...
- NYI78



I realized after i wrote it, that I mispoke and he did have a NTC.
Dan Petriw
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 12.03.2006

Jul 25 @ 8:15 AM ET
I realized after i wrote it, that I mispoke and he did have a NTC.
- kindlyrick



no worries
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 8:26 AM ET
Add Strome and you would get Ryan...
- kear20




I wouldnt trade that many prospects for Bobby Ryan. I like him, but he's not worth 4 first round picks essentially.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 8:34 AM ET
Garth shoulda packaged Okposo, Grabner, a d prospect (donovan or dehaan) and a pick and went after Rick Nash. The Rangers just added one of the best forwards in the game.
- kindlyrick


Nash finished near 60th in scoring last season. Not exactly tearing it up. On the way down in his career and he has to fill Gabby's shoes the first 2,3 months of season. Maybe more. I think the Rangers got the better end of the trade and since money doesn't matter to the Dolans, his overpaid contract won't hurt the rags. But all in all, it's your typical NYR trade for an overpaid player past his prime. I don't think he's the missing piece for their run to the cup but hey, ya never know.

On the other part of that quote, Garth doesn't have the stones to get er done. We shouldn't have to give up all of that for Ryan....some draft picks in place of Strome or Lee or Nelson but there's gotta be a package that's better than most other teams can offer....I mean, we have all these prospects, right? They won't all pan out nor do we have room for all of 'em, so at some point, you have to jump into the game and make some trades....before we hit the bottom of the barrel.

Oh, that's right....nobody wants to come here.....boo f'in hoo....
Can't believe I'm saying this but at least Milbury TRIED.
And sometimes, the only thing worse than making a mistake is making no move at all.

- jmo16



I realize after i wrote it but Nash would never have come to the island. I dont care what Nash' stats were last year on the cruddy CBJ. Nash is one of the best forwards in the game. Sather did a hell of a job bringing in what that Ranger team lacked in the playoffs and quite frankly most of the season.......a lefty shot for the right side on the PP. Its so funny, that the state of the isles vs the state of the rangers, it makes the rivalry non existent.

Say what you will about Glen Sather, but ridding himself of Gomez and getting McDonough, bringing in the youth like Kreider, Stepan etc etc............he's done a heck of a job. I for one tip my hat to him..........there's no argument to that.

Its so funny, all we hear as isles fans are about our young core, and youth and building within. Meanwhile the Rangers have more young talent playing for their team than the isles do.....

Being able to sign top tier UFA's is so important because you can always trade them for picks and prospects..........so building from within is essentially b.s Its how some teams continue to get top prospects. The only way the isles get those prospects is by sucking, and they do that very well!
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 9:01 AM ET
I realize after i wrote it but Nash would never have come to the island. I dont care what Nash' stats were last year on the cruddy CBJ. Nash is one of the best forwards in the game. Sather did a hell of a job bringing in what that Ranger team lacked in the playoffs and quite frankly most of the season.......a lefty shot for the right side on the PP. Its so funny, that the state of the isles vs the state of the rangers, it makes the rivalry non existent.

Say what you will about Glen Sather, but ridding himself of Gomez and getting McDonough, bringing in the youth like Kreider, Stepan etc etc............he's done a heck of a job. I for one tip my hat to him..........there's no argument to that.

Its so funny, all we hear as isles fans are about our young core, and youth and building within. Meanwhile the Rangers have more young talent playing for their team than the isles do.....
Being able to sign top tier UFA's is so important because you can always trade them for picks and prospects..........so building from within is essentially b.s Its how some teams continue to get top prospects. The only way the isles get those prospects is by sucking, and they do that very well!

- kindlyrick

Very true. I love how some fans care not to see/admit this. Defend Snow and bash Sather. How could you with a straight face? Building from with in is an excellent way to build a winner BUT you need to be capable/intelligent/have the balls enough to be able to add players to help your young players develop properly AND help your team overall. So far Snow has done nothing to prove he is capable of doing so. Come up with whatever excuse you want. He is an enormous part of the problem as well as Wang.
Sather was abusive of the cash he had 7/8 eight years ago. As far as I'm concerned after the Gomez/Drury signings he has been a sound GM and made some of the best trades in the NHL the last few years. Yeah Redden was a gaffe too but they did the right thing after he didn't meet expectations. Exactltly what the Isles should have done with RDP a couple years ago. Look no further than across the river to see how a team should be run. Snow should be taking notes.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jul 25 @ 9:38 AM ET
Read the other comment before before you make a dumb statement...idiot...
- kear20



i read the other comments and im very aware of the conversation at hand, captain.
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Jul 25 @ 9:45 AM ET
If you TRULY believe what you wrote.. you are a complete Moron

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX



Kinda funny... I have never seen you call any of the meatheads on here any names.

Maybe you should attack them instead of me....

You didn't read through all the post... and don't know me very well.

I'm one of the only true fans on here that like the progress we have made in the last 4 years.

I'm just sick of the so called fans doing nothing but complaining.

Anybody that doesn't think this team is in a better situation than it was 4 years ago just doesn't understand what the rebuild is all about.

Talk to them.... I'm sure they know who they are...

Xxjimmc7722xX
NYIDRIVE4FIVE
New York Islanders
Location: Lou York, NY
Joined: 12.17.2009

Jul 25 @ 10:16 AM ET
Seriously? RDP has never been and will never be a NHL quality starting goaltender. He will be remembered for having a GLASS JAW, a fragile body, and a example of what steroids do to a young body(injuries). And please do not say he can handle the puck! Is there a stat that shows how many times he screwed up playing the puck resulting in goals against? So to summerize, RDP is a total and complete waste of precious oxygen! He is like a little yellow piss stain on the front of our beloved NYI patch. He is like a lame horse that needs to be put down!
- steelm44

I have no problem criticizing DP, but that isn't fair. He was an All-Star and was playing very well before the injuries started.

Hell, I remember arguing with Ranger fans about who was better, the Queen or DP.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: REJECTED REFEREE
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:28 AM ET
I have no problem criticizing DP, but that isn't fair. He was an All-Star and was playing very well before the injuries started.

Hell, I remember arguing with Ranger fans about who was better, the Queen or DP.

- NYIDRIVE4FIVE


Not to mention Brodeur himself felt DP was the better of the two. Still, I think we can all agree at this stage, the ship has sailed on DP. I'm excited at the prospect of seeing Poulin or Nilsen taking the reins.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: REJECTED REFEREE
Joined: 07.12.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
I realize after i wrote it but Nash would never have come to the island. I dont care what Nash' stats were last year on the cruddy CBJ. Nash is one of the best forwards in the game. Sather did a hell of a job bringing in what that Ranger team lacked in the playoffs and quite frankly most of the season.......a lefty shot for the right side on the PP. Its so funny, that the state of the isles vs the state of the rangers, it makes the rivalry non existent.

Say what you will about Glen Sather, but ridding himself of Gomez and getting McDonough, bringing in the youth like Kreider, Stepan etc etc............he's done a heck of a job. I for one tip my hat to him..........there's no argument to that.

Its so funny, all we hear as isles fans are about our young core, and youth and building within. Meanwhile the Rangers have more young talent playing for their team than the isles do.....

Being able to sign top tier UFA's is so important because you can always trade them for picks and prospects..........so building from within is essentially b.s Its how some teams continue to get top prospects. The only way the isles get those prospects is by sucking, and they do that very well!

- kindlyrick



You won't be saying that within 2-3 years, but there in lies the problem for the Isles. Since we don't have the injection of useful free agents, this slows the growth of the future impact players in our system. Most defenseive prospects take 3-4 years to develop, which means a wealth of our defensive prospects will be showing up through the system within the next couple of years, so it's a bit early to start comparing whose prospects are more effective. In addition, I feel far more comfortable with prospects like Strome, Kabanov, Nino, Mayfield, de Haan, Reinhart and Nilsen than the Rangers prospect tank.

I get the frustration and even share it to a degree, but I also have to recognize that a lot of our prospects are not yet experienced enough to be expected to have an impact in the NHL yet. The only way we're going to see our trade and UFA options improve is if we allow those prospects the time to become the players they were drafted to be. Unfortunately that means more pain and suffering in 2012-13.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
I wouldnt trade that many prospects for Bobby Ryan. I like him, but he's not worth 4 first round picks essentially.
- kindlyrick


I really dont think you have to. IMO ( and a token will get you on the subway) ,

A 1st round pick. (in our case it will be a high one again)

A Prospect. Such as DeHaan, Donovan OR Johan Sundstrom.

And A roster player, Bailey, KO OR Grabner will get Anaheim's attention.


Since Bobby Ryan has presumably been on the market for several months now. And he's still not been traded. I cant believe any other team is offering more than that. Otherwise. He'd be out of Anaheim right now.

I dont know what Anaheim is really expecting. They are not going to get back A PLAYER who has equal value to Bobby Ryan plus some additional pieces. That makes no sense and will never happen. All they can expect is an accumulation of Picks, Prospects and players that hopefully make up for their loss of Ryan and then some. Hoping that the Prospect and the Draft Pick make their team and turn our to be quality NHL players.

Of course before the summer is over. We'll see Bobby Ryan go to one of our rivals for much less and HB will light up like a "SLOT MACHINE" that hit the jackpot.

And then the spin will begin. How we were unwilling to divert from the rebuild and give up on any of our young talent.
NYIDRIVE4FIVE
New York Islanders
Location: Lou York, NY
Joined: 12.17.2009

Jul 25 @ 10:58 AM ET
Not to mention Brodeur himself felt DP was the better of the two. Still, I think we can all agree at this stage, the ship has sailed on DP. I'm excited at the prospect of seeing Poulin or Nilsen taking the reins.
- keaner17

Absolutely agree. I don't argue that DP is done, but to say he never had anything is a lie.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:03 AM ET
I'm loving your comments LetsgoIsles. No offense to Dee but the timing of this article is horrible.
- ses111



XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:04 AM ET
He was being sarcastic. Going along with everyones feelings about our off season followed by the Visnovsky news then followed by Dee's latest work of art.
- Cptmjl



If that's the case, then its not how he TRULY feels....... right?

XxNYIxX
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:05 AM ET
Not really when you look at who was brought in to mentor these kids and how some of the on ice/off ice crap was handled. Off the top of my head RDP backing up thaat game with Buffalo when he was clearly injured. Do I have to give you more stuff. Is it really neccesary?
- Cptmjl



Its still unreasonable expectations

XxNYIxX
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jul 25 @ 11:06 AM ET
Isles drew 14,700 on weekends last year. Better than most teams that have sucked forever. Hawks, pens, blues all drew next to nothing during their lean years
- Isles316



so they put hockey aside and draw on the weekends? i have heard through the grapevine that charles is an excellent finger painter...just sayin
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:07 AM ET
Seriously? RDP has never been and will never be a NHL quality starting goaltender. He will be remembered for having a GLASS JAW, a fragile body, and a example of what steroids do to a young body(injuries). And please do not say he can handle the puck! Is there a stat that shows how many times he screwed up playing the puck resulting in goals against? So to summerize, RDP is a total and complete waste of precious oxygen! He is like a little yellow piss stain on the front of our beloved NYI patch. He is like a lame horse that needs to be put down!
- steelm44



He can handle the puck!

XxNYIxX
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:10 AM ET
It isn't b.s. look it up. Weekend games. Any game on a Saturday or Sunday they averaged that. I was there too
- Isles316

Fact: isles are routinely among the bottom of the league in fan attendance. Go check the numbers. Just because they draw more than their average on weekends or when there are a few special promotions doesn't change the fact that their fan attendance is low and among the bottom of the league.
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