Nash also forced himself out and then his GM told everyone. Yandle isnt pushing to be traded.
- stveshdy

How did he force himself out? He was under contract to Columbus. If Howson didn't trade him what was his recourse? Quit the team?

wouldn't you rather have that asset available if the flyers wanted the flexibility going forward to do better than L schenn? could having JVR given the flyers more flexibility in weber negotiations? we'll never know, but my gut says yes. JVR as an asset was worth more than L schenn and I only bring this dead horse up because we still need a dman and I'd rather have quality than quantity if I had to choose.
- isaiah520

I don't know the answer. I did read some reports that Nashville was asking for both Schenns so I would assume he holds value.

But you know what, I've moved past it and I'm over it. Time to look towards the future.
- MJL

For once I agree with you

Nash cost next to nothing, maybe Yandle could be had reasonably.
- PLindbergh31

yandle is an even better puck mover than carle, but maybe not a better all around dman

How did he force himself out? He was under contract to Columbus. If Howson didn't trade him what was his recourse? Quit the team?
- PLindbergh31

I doubt he would quit the team but it wouldn't be wise to keep a disgruntled player around if he doesn't want to be there anymore (asking for a trade). Yandle hasn't asked to be traded, thats a completely different situation.

But you know what, I've moved past it and I'm over it. Time to look towards the future.
- MJL

I'm still coming to grips with Pronger's career being over. Haven't processed the Weber kick to the teeth. Probably will hit me around Christmas.

yandle is an even better puck mover than carle, but maybe not a better all around dman
- isaiah520

I think Yandle is better than Carle. He's got some holes defensively, but he's much better than Carle offensively.

the biggest reason I hope homer does more is because we simply aren't as good as we were at the end of last season and I don't like seeing such a relatively young team take a step back...want forward momentum.
- isaiah520

We don't know that we aren't as good as we were at the end of last Season. At the end of last Season, against the Devils, they weren't that good. Don't dismiss the growth of their own players as improving the team from last year.
Again, they haven't played a single game yet, and they've taken a step back?

I don't know the answer. I did read some reports that Nashville was asking for both Schenns so I would assume he holds value.
- stveshdy

Schenn was in a crap system... Also there were major locker room issues between him and phaneuf... Apparently there was a major rift caused when phaneuf cheap shorted Brayden in Philadelphia. Luke said some thing to dion and he didn't take it very well... I'm sure he's going to be a lot better next to his brother. Hence the stuff at the asg between harts and phaneuf

I don't look at our young players as sacred possessions. if we are forward heavy, let's make a fair trade to acquire a dman...and not a myopic move like the JVR giveaway.
- isaiah520

How was it a giveaway? They got a very good young defenseman that has a lot of potential. Luke Schenn has as much potential as a defenseman as JVR had as a forward. Are we again labeling a player before he has even played a game for the Flyers?

I doubt he would quit the team but it wouldn't be wise to keep a disgruntled player around if he doesn't want to be there anymore (asking for a trade). Yandle hasn't asked to be traded, thats a completely different situation.
- stveshdy

Yeah. But what player is going to be happy being in Columbus. Do you think Dubinsky and Anisimov are happy being traded from a Cup Contender to the armpit of the NHL?

if I had to move schenn, I'd want bogo as part of the deal
- isaiah520

Honestly, can we stop talking about trading the Schenns or Couterier. It's not happening. If it was happening Weber would be here. Any deal that gets done from here on out centers around Read, Jake, Gus, MAB and picks. If that isn't enough to acquire anything then obviously, unless a free agent is signed, the current team is going into the season and I for one am not nearly as excited as all the rest of you. If this team gets injured like it always does it's around an 80-90 point team.

Schenn was in a crap system... Also there were major locker room issues between him and phaneuf... Apparently there was a major rift caused when phaneuf cheap shorted Brayden in Philadelphia. Luke said some thing to dion and he didn't take it very well... I'm sure he's going to be a lot better next to his brother. Hence the stuff at the asg between harts and phaneuf
- Philly1980

I hope Luke can get his game going, I really do. I have nothing against the guy. He has much to improve on.

How did he force himself out? He was under contract to Columbus. If Howson didn't trade him what was his recourse? Quit the team?
- PLindbergh31

a player demanding a trade affects his value and negotiating leverage

how can you not see that Yandle's situation is extremely different than Nash's?


anyway, not sure why im falling into your Spin Zone and asking you obvious questions to which you already know the answer.

To put in context... Luke has 4 season in NHL already. At this age weber was in the ahl. There's a reason Nashville wanted him. All we know of him is what we hear from Toronto people... Ask 100 flyers fans about jvr and 90 of them will tell you he sucked.

It came down to a little guy refusing to be bullied by a big guy when you break it down in laymans terms. The only losers in this are the Flyers imo.

In the grand scheme of things, why would anyone here care if this Weber contract cripples the Nashville franchise? Doesn't benefit any of us in the least.
- PLindbergh31

How are the Flyers losers in this? They just didn't get the player. They didn't lose a player.

And why would anyone care if it cripples the Nashville franchise? Because it's better for the League and every team in it if every team including Nashville thrives. It leads to more revenue, which leads to higher HRR. Which leads to a higher Cap. Which leads to your team being able to spend more money on players.
Hard to understand this narrow minded view of why anyone here would care.

I doubt he would quit the team but it wouldn't be wise to keep a disgruntled player around if he doesn't want to be there anymore (asking for a trade). Yandle hasn't asked to be traded, thats a completely different situation.
- stveshdy

Why? Nashville just did it for 14 years.

Yeah. But what player is going to be happy being in Columbus. Do you think Dubinsky and Anisimov are happy being traded from a Cup Contender to the armpit of the NHL?
- PLindbergh31

I have no idea. The only point that I was making is Yandle didn't ask to be traded. So your going to have to give them a decent package to acquire him. Nash on the other hand was being difficult and would only go to a few teams. They obviously felt he was going to be a distraction or they would of kept him.

Why? Nashville just did it for 14 years.
- Flyers1218

I'm sure Weber talked to Nashville at some point. Weber wanted to get paid and Nashville is doing that. I dont think Weber will be a problem.

Weber tested the waters as a RFA which is his right, he didnt demand a trade.

Weber would have been great, but I'm cool with the D. Want another forward or 2, but definitely at least 1. What I said a few posts ago stands, but season hinges on Bryz.

Honestly, can we stop talking about trading the Schenns or Couterier. It's not happening. If it was happening Weber would be here. Any deal that gets done from here on out centers around Read, Jake, Gus, MAB and picks. If that isn't enough to acquire anything then obviously, unless a free agent is signed, the current team is going into the season and I for one am not nearly as excited as all the rest of you. If this team gets injured like it always does it's around an 80-90 point team.
- Flyers1218

one of those will have to be moved to get a premier dman unless we are willing to wait for a ufa nxt yr. if that offer sheet couldn't get it done, RFAs just aren't gonna happen for dmen in this league.

I'm sure Weber talked to Nashville at some point. Weber wanted to get paid and Nashville is doing that. I dont think Weber will be a problem.
- stveshdy

Did you see the quotes I posted earlier? I also had a conversation through twitter with another NHL person and they also said Weber is way less than thrilled.

one of those will have to be moved to get a premier dman unless we are willing to wait for a ufa nxt yr. if that offer sheet couldn't get it done, RFAs just aren't gonna happen for dmen in this league.
- isaiah520

Question for you. If they didn't move one them for the best defenseman in the NHL, why would they suddenly do it for someone not as good. It's over dude. They aren't moving them.

Did you see the quotes I posted earlier? I also had a conversation through twitter with another NHL person and they also said Weber is way less than thrilled.
- Flyers1218

He'll play 2-3 years max on that contract in Nashville IMO.

Did you see the quotes I posted earlier? I also had a conversation through twitter with another NHL person and they also said Weber is way less than thrilled.
- Flyers1218

Weber tested RFA. He didn't demand to be traded. I didn't see any report that said Nashville don't match cause I'm not playing there. He signed an offer sheet and knew the possibility of returning to Nashville. Weber is getting his money. If he was that concerned he shouldn't of signed any offer sheet, play out the year and become an UFA. He didn't do that b/c of the new CBA so he choose to get paid.