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Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:40 PM ET
So, if the rebuild is REALLY the route this team is intent on taking, why the crap don't we have the BEST available coach out there to teach our developing core? How much more does a better coach cost the team? $500k more? $1M more? For an organization losing tens of millions a year, unable to attract FA players to make them better immediately or via trade, what element could we possibly employ to help speed the process? We have a coach whose greatest asset is the economical nature of his contract and willingness to do what he's told. His predecessor was also unproven at the NHL level and inexpensive. The guy before him was ousted because he stood up for himself and wouldn't toe the line - but also an outcast and inexpensive.

I don't get it.

What IS this team's strategy? Hope the drafted players collectively become a powerhouse regardless of the coach(es) behind the bench? Cosmic alignment?
A rash of season-ending injuries throughout the rest of the Atlantic conference?

Because, in spite of what we are told, this team hasn't and isn't delivering on any of the areas we are told they are heading and many of the moves and decisions contradict what the mouthpieces spew.

I own my own business and am very aware of the money I spend and what I get back for it. Be it the merchandise I sell, the salary I pay employees, the value of the work they do and the feedback of my customers I serve. When any of those elements are out of whack or under-preforming, I make changes. Adapt or die. It's very simple.

And if this team were my business, there'd be balls in a sling and people sending out resumes on their way to the unemployment office. They may be fooling a lot of you out there and fooling themselves but they're not fooling me anymore. They deserve no excuses or pity. They have only themselves to blame. Even if shovels were in the ground, we'd still have issues making this team better. It's not Kate Murray's fault - hell, we even have to say it's no longer Milbury's fault (tho I love recanting all his antics) so stop making excuses for the fools who are trying to fool you.
(jethro - I am piggybacking your post - not directing this at you)

- jmo16



BANG BANG!!!!
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:40 PM ET
Every year the Coyotes sign free agents. Just saying
- Vukota


Yea but dont they play in a Hockey Hot Spot?

Or was it they play in a SPOT where its HOT?

I always seem to get that wrong.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:41 PM ET
So, if the rebuild is REALLY the route this team is intent on taking, why the crap don't we have the BEST available coach out there to teach our developing core? How much more does a better coach cost the team? $500k more? $1M more? For an organization losing tens of millions a year, unable to attract FA players to make them better immediately or via trade, what element could we possibly employ to help speed the process? We have a coach whose greatest asset is the economical nature of his contract and willingness to do what he's told. His predecessor was also unproven at the NHL level and inexpensive. The guy before him was ousted because he stood up for himself and wouldn't toe the line - but also an outcast and inexpensive.

I don't get it.

What IS this team's strategy? Hope the drafted players collectively become a powerhouse regardless of the coach(es) behind the bench? Cosmic alignment?
A rash of season-ending injuries throughout the rest of the Atlantic conference?

Because, in spite of what we are told, this team hasn't and isn't delivering on any of the areas we are told they are heading and many of the moves and decisions contradict what the mouthpieces spew.

I own my own business and am very aware of the money I spend and what I get back for it. Be it the merchandise I sell, the salary I pay employees, the value of the work they do and the feedback of my customers I serve. When any of those elements are out of whack or under-preforming, I make changes. Adapt or die. It's very simple.

And if this team were my business, there'd be balls in a sling and people sending out resumes on their way to the unemployment office. They may be fooling a lot of you out there and fooling themselves but they're not fooling me anymore. They deserve no excuses or pity. They have only themselves to blame. Even if shovels were in the ground, we'd still have issues making this team better. It's not Kate Murray's fault - hell, we even have to say it's no longer Milbury's fault (tho I love recanting all his antics) so stop making excuses for the fools who are trying to fool you.
(jethro - I am piggybacking your post - not directing this at you)

- jmo16



WOOF! WOOF!
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:44 PM ET
If you're trading half the team for Ryan then I'm glad you're not the GM too.
- eichiefs9


Sorry hard to remain sane with a day like this.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:47 PM ET
BANG BANG!!!!
- Vukota


Too bad the press and especially Howie Rose does not ask questions like this to Wang when he had the year end interview last year. Howie only like to take shots at the team when he thinks he's off air and not when the owner is sitting next to him.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:47 PM ET
Hey Garth show some balls and trade for Ryan... :thumbsup: If Viznovski doesn't want to play here trade him...I'm sure Detroit will take him...
- kear20


On both points.

WE seem to be content to let players walk away for nothing. So getting a 3rd round pick from Detroit will seem like a move in the right direction!
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 23 @ 6:51 PM ET
Bravo. No way I could have said it better. This is why there is a Wolfpack. It's not so much not being able to trade for a star player or having a big payroll. It's Wang doing the least amount of work possible and not caring enough to have a real coach.
- ses111


I actually don't fault Wang for the coaching situation. That's Garth's job.
I fault Wang for hiring Garth, believing whatever BS he was fed and not having realized YET that he's getting a major snowjob. It's time for Garth to go. He clearly isn't doing enough. And if you are incapable, unless you're the son-in-law, you gotta go.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:54 PM ET
I actually don't fault Wang for the coaching situation. That's Garth's job.
I fault Wang for hiring Garth, believing whatever BS he was fed and not having realized YET that he's getting a major snowjob. It's time for Garth to go. He clearly isn't doing enough. And if you are incapable, unless you're the son-in-law, you gotta go.

- jmo16


I hear you but Wang as the owner can step in and tell Snow to get a better coach or again fire Snow if he is not happy. I have no doubt Snow does not want a bigger name coach to overshadow him.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 7:12 PM ET
Well at least the Yanks got Ichiro from Seattle...small personal victory.
- eichiefs9


So much for George's sons not waiting to spend as much money. This day is getting better and better. Maybe there is time for a piano to fall on my head?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 23 @ 7:15 PM ET
So much for George's sons not waiting to spend as much money. This day is getting better and better. Maybe there is time for a piano to fall on my head?
- ses111

The Mariners are picking up all but $2.5m of his salary.
NYIDRIVE4FIVE
New York Islanders
Location: Lou York, NY
Joined: 12.17.2009

Jul 23 @ 7:26 PM ET
The Mariners are picking up all but $2.5m of his salary.
- eichiefs9

They felt bad about the Montero trade
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 7:34 PM ET
The Mariners are picking up all but $2.5m of his salary.
- eichiefs9


Your killing me Chief. Between my bad back Lubo and Nash and now the Yankee trade.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 7:35 PM ET
They felt bad about the Montero trade
- NYIDRIVE4FIVE


That's what I thought. God why did I have to be a sports fan?
kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 7:50 PM ET
Too bad the press and especially Howie Rose does not ask questions like this to Wang when he had the year end interview last year. Howie only like to take shots at the team when he thinks he's off air and not when the owner is sitting next to him.
- ses111

Howie Rose shouldn't be the Islanders announcer...he's a Rangers fan...I don't think he's that good...ugly too...bring back John Sterling...GOAL...ISLANDERS GOAL!!!...the only thing is if they start the season with this group...there aren't going to be many goals...
kear20
New York Islanders
Joined: 07.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 7:56 PM ET
If you're trading half the team for Ryan then I'm glad you're not the GM too.
- eichiefs9

Outside of a few players, I'd have no problem overpaying for Ryan...
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jul 23 @ 8:41 PM ET
So, if the rebuild is REALLY the route this team is intent on taking, why the crap don't we have the BEST available coach out there to teach our developing core? How much more does a better coach cost the team? $500k more? $1M more? For an organization losing tens of millions a year, unable to attract FA players to make them better immediately or via trade, what element could we possibly employ to help speed the process? We have a coach whose greatest asset is the economical nature of his contract and willingness to do what he's told. His predecessor was also unproven at the NHL level and inexpensive. The guy before him was ousted because he stood up for himself and wouldn't toe the line - but also an outcast and inexpensive.

I don't get it.

What IS this team's strategy? Hope the drafted players collectively become a powerhouse regardless of the coach(es) behind the bench? Cosmic alignment?
A rash of season-ending injuries throughout the rest of the Atlantic conference?

Because, in spite of what we are told, this team hasn't and isn't delivering on any of the areas we are told they are heading and many of the moves and decisions contradict what the mouthpieces spew.

I own my own business and am very aware of the money I spend and what I get back for it. Be it the merchandise I sell, the salary I pay employees, the value of the work they do and the feedback of my customers I serve. When any of those elements are out of whack or under-preforming, I make changes. Adapt or die. It's very simple.

And if this team were my business, there'd be balls in a sling and people sending out resumes on their way to the unemployment office. They may be fooling a lot of you out there and fooling themselves but they're not fooling me anymore. They deserve no excuses or pity. T!hey have only themselves to blame. Even if shovels were in the ground, we'd still have issues making this team better. It's not Kate Murray's fault - hell, we even have to say it's no longer Milbury's fault (tho I love recanting all his antics) so stop making excuses for the fools who are trying to fool you.
(jethro - I am piggybacking your post - not directing this at you)

- jmo16

I agree with you on the coach. Cappy should not be coaching this team. It needs an established, veteran coach who has a track record of developing young players. This team has made very questionable coaching decisions since Nolan was fired.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:48 PM ET
No I definitley don't believe this team has the means to spend near the ceiling. However, I do think the team is willing to address sensible acquisitions if it benefits the organization. Past offers have suggested the team is willing to spend on free agents but those free agents have gone elsewhere for less.

I think everyone realizes we won't see this ownerships full spending efforts until 2015 and I'd do the same damn thing if I were him. That said, blindly saying "we should of gotten a good defensemen" as though they're out there ripe for the picking is off the mark. The Isles couldn't make a Weber type offer to anyone. Certainly this ownership could never fork out $56 million over 3 years to a player.

So what are we left with? We're left with guys like Visnovsky.

- keaner17

Who was a top two Dman before he said he didn't want to play here, I love this site
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:50 PM ET
what did you tell us??

where have you been? i was starting to get used to not having anyone to argue with...

- LetsGoIsles[/quote
I was happy with the trade but suspicious of him not playing here. Was my point since day one saying it was just salary to reach the floor ala Thomas. Don't believe everything you read.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:56 PM ET
Every year the Coyotes sign free agents. Just saying
- Vukota

Logic means nothing on here. It has nothing to do with Snow or Wang!
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jul 23 @ 8:56 PM ET
Too bad the press and especially Howie Rose does not ask questions like this to Wang when he had the year end interview last year. Howie only like to take shots at the team when he thinks he's off air and not when the owner is sitting next to him.
- ses111


Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 23 @ 8:57 PM ET
BANG BANG!!!!
- Vukota

Ding Ding!!!!
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 23 @ 9:01 PM ET
Outside of a few players, I'd have no problem overpaying for Ryan...
- kear20


I've been saying the same....it's the only way to make an impact trade with this team.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 9:02 PM ET

- UIF


Little Howie is a real tough guy. He would never take shots at the Mets. I'm a Met fan but they are no better than the Isles and they cannot use the excuse of having an old building.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jul 23 @ 9:03 PM ET
I've been saying the same....it's the only way to make an impact trade with this team.
- jmo16


At this stage there are very few players I would not trade for Ryan.
jmo16
New York Islanders
Location: No Whining Allowed! This is a blog. Silly Gif's only!
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 23 @ 9:07 PM ET
At this stage there are very few players I would not trade for Ryan.
- ses111


can count 'em on my fingers.....and a thumb isn't a finger...it's a thumb.
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