Chief a GM has to know the sitation of a player he is trading for. If Lubo does not have a no trade clause involving the Isles then Garth is not at fault. The Isles do not need anymore issues like this.
- ses111

Both teams believed the NTC to be voided. He didn't invoke it when he was sent to Anaheim and both teams believe it won't hold up. There was nothing to check on, the clause was OLD and outdated.

** Edit: Technically it's not even a NTC. The clause just stated he's supposed to be presented with a list of 10 possible teams.

so you are ok with a guy who does nto want to play here playing for the Islanders?? This team gets better and better each day.
- kasperrko

Nabby's pretty happy to be back...

Maybe we can pick another D man of theirs and call it a day.
- kasperrko

Bryan Allen 6' 5" 226 Aug 21, 1980 31 Kingston, ON, CAN
23 Francois Beauchemin 6' 0" 207 Jun 4, 1980 32 Sorel, QC, CAN
4 Cam Fowler 6' 1" 196 Dec 5, 1991 20 Windsor, ON, CAN
34 Nate Guenin 6' 2" 210 Dec 10, 1982 29 Aliquippa, PA, USA
32 Toni Lydman 6' 1" 202 Sep 25, 1977 34 Lahti, FIN
5 Luca Sbisa 6' 2" 207 Jan 30, 1990 22 Ozieri, ITA
Sheldon Souray

Take your pick Kasper. NO wonder they let Viz go. Not to shabby a group. Dont know about this guy Guenin though. Must be depth.

so you are ok with a guy who does nto want to play here playing for the Islanders?? This team gets better and better each day.
- kasperrko

You mean like Nabokov? Who really gave us our only chance to win last year? Sure. He'll get, booed on opening night and deserve every second of it. Eventually he'll put up some points and all will be forgotten. Not saying I don't hate him for this, but we're not exactly in any position to be taking a moral high ground here. And especially not in any position to be blaming this on Snow.

You mean like Nabokov? Who really gave us our only chance to win last year? Sure. He'll get, booed on opening night and deserve every second of it. Eventually he'll put up some points and all will be forgotten. Not saying I don't hate him for this, but we're not exactly in any position to be taking a moral high ground here. And especially not in any position to be blaming this on Snow.
- eichiefs9

Snow and Wang get the blame for not making the Isles a better option for players. They should be bringing in better players than this guy and not settling.

1)Both teams believed the NTC to be voided. 2)He didn't invoke it when he was sent to Anaheim and both teams believe it won't hold up. There was nothing to check on, the clause was OLD and outdated.

** Edit: Technically it's not even a NTC. The clause just stated he's supposed to be presented with a list of 10 possible teams.
- keaner17

1)How do we know this?

2)Maybe he didn't invoke it because he agreed to the trade from LA to Anaheim. Or the Ducks were on his list.

Have these questions been answered or are they speculation at this point?

You know. Some of these players dont have a clue to what's included in their contracts. They leave it to their agents to attend to everything while they just follow blindly.

This entire mess may just be some failed communications between the Ducks, Viz and his agent.

But what is obvious is Viz wants no part of LI. So lets hope the deal gets voided.

Are you saying sending back the 2nd rd pick we sent to the Ducks? Or Their 2nd rd pick in addition to us getting our 2nd rd pick back.???
- SCLI

isles should be compensated if the trade is voided being that they figured they found their 2nd pairing dman and now they have to go out and search for someone to replace him minus the month of time they just lost being that they "had" him already

Snow and Wang get the blame for not making the Isles a better option for players. They should be bringing in better players than this guy and not settling.
- ses111

Because bringing in better players is just as easy as saying 'let's bring in better players'.

Because bringing in better players is just as easy as saying 'let's bring in better players'.
- keaner17

Here comes it's impossible for the Isles to make trades to improve the team even though they have a great farm system. Next is the Isles cannot get a real coach because of the building. I'm sorry Wang and Snow have no blame for the decisions thay made it's all Kate Murray's fault.

Snow and Wang get the blame for not making the Isles a better option for players. They should be bringing in better players than this guy and not settling.
- ses111

hahah what?!?!

2 part question for everyone looking for any reason to point their finger at wang/garth:

before any one this came out did ANYONE consider the isles were "settling" when they traded for LV or was it a good deal? was anyone upset about this trade in the least bit before this came out??

Because bringing in better players is just as easy as saying 'let's bring in better players'.
- keaner17

It's certainly more difficult when you put considerable spending restrictions on an already undesirable location...

1)How do we know this?

2)Maybe he didn't invoke it because he agreed to the trade from LA to Anaheim. Or the Ducks were on his list.

Have these questions been answered or are they speculation at this point?

You know. Some of these players dont have a clue to what's included in their contracts. They leave it to their agents to attend to everything while they just follow blindly.

This entire mess may just be some failed communications between the Ducks, Viz and his agent.

But what is obvious is Viz wants no part of LI. So lets hope the deal gets voided.
- SCLI

1. Anaheim's contention will be that the clause only applied to Edmonton and was voided when he was dealt to the Ducks in 2010. This probably means the original language specifically referenced the Oilers responsiblity to honor his wishes.

We won't get the complete language until its reviewed by an arbitrator but it seems both teams felt confident the NTC was NOT a factor.

this is a (frank)ing nightmare

1)How do we know this?

2)Maybe he didn't invoke it because he agreed to the trade from LA to Anaheim. Or the Ducks were on his list.

Have these questions been answered or are they speculation at this point?

You know. Some of these players dont have a clue to what's included in their contracts. They leave it to their agents to attend to everything while they just follow blindly.

This entire mess may just be some failed communications between the Ducks, Viz and his agent.

But what is obvious is Viz wants no part of LI. So lets hope the deal gets voided.
- SCLI

hope??

i wouldnt go that far. the guy is by no stretch a fan favorite at this point, but like chief pointed out, either was nabakov...isles are in no position to "hope" good players dont come here.

hahah what?!?!

2 part question for everyone looking for any reason to point their finger at wang/garth:

before any one this came out did ANYONE consider the isles were "settling" when they traded for LV or was it a good deal? was anyone upset about this trade in the least bit before this came out??
- LetsGoIsles

It was a good deal. Universally regarded as one all over the NHL. That shouldn't be in dispute. The fact that they got him for just a 2nd round pick makes it an even better deal.

(frank) this

Here comes it's impossible for the Isles to make trades to improve the team even though they have a great farm system. Next is the Isles cannot get a real coach because of the building. I'm sorry Wang and Snow have no blame for the decisions thay made it's all Kate Murray's fault.
- ses111

You're right! They suck because they couldn't land Ovechkin, Semin, Crosby and Staamkos this year! WTF GARTH!?!?!?!
He must not want to win!

hahah what?!?!

2 part question for everyone looking for any reason to point their finger at wang/garth:

before any one this came out did ANYONE consider the isles were "settling" when they traded for LV or was it a good deal? was anyone upset about this trade in the least bit before this came out??
- LetsGoIsles

To be fair I did not love or hate this deal. I wanted a better and younger dman brought in before the trade. I'm more upset with the state of the team that makes Vets want to back out and not play for the team. That is all Wang and Snow and the perception at how they run the team.No question the building is a huge problem.

You're right! They suck because they couldn't land Ovechkin, Semin, Crosby and Staamkos this year! WTF GARTH!?!?!?!
He must not want to win!
- keaner17

Yes because only star players can help the Isles.

To be fair I did not love or hate this deal. I wanted a better and younger dman brought in before the trade. I'm more upset with the state of the team that makes Vets want to back out and not play for the team. That is all Wang and Snow and the perception at how they run the team.No question the building is a huge problem.
- ses111

if someone pointed a gun at your head and said im pulling the trigger unless u answer this question:

did you like the lubo trade or did you not like the trade??

whats your answer....

It's certainly more difficult when you put considerable spending restrictions on an already undesirable location...
- UIF

To be honest, I'm not sure just how much of this has to do with the Isles past management rep but rather that this guy wants to play ONE more year in the NHL and that's it. In his eyes, he wants one last shot at the cup before he goes home and plays in the KHL (or whatever). Suddenly he's told he's heading to a team that hasn't sniffed at the playoffs and at best is a bubble team this year. It's a similar situation as Nabby. It's not necessarily all about the Isles, but more about it not being a good fit for a players last gasp.

Either way, it's TERRIBLE for our exposure...unless he resigns next year

Yes because only star players can help the Isles.
- ses111

Or undefined 'better players' that no one can confirm were even available let alone would consider LI.

if someone pointed a gun at your head and said im pulling the trigger unless u answer this question:

did you like the lubo trade or did you not like the trade??

whats your answer....
- LetsGoIsles

Liked it. Again I'm more upset with the state of the team that even makes guy's want to back out. Lubo or no Lubo is not going to make a huge difference. Even if he has a change of heart and wants to play for the Isles it's a black eye the team does not need.

Yes because only star players can help the Isles.
- ses111

good thing visnovsky isnt a star player...i guess you DID like the trade

if someone pointed a gun at your head and said im pulling the trigger unless u answer this question:

did you like the lubo trade or did you not like the trade??

whats your answer....
- LetsGoIsles

I can agree with SES here. Lubo was good because he's a definite upgrade to any of the guys from last year. But also a negative because he's in his later 30's, maybe only a yr left in his tank and had a very sub par year last yr.