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Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:09 PM ET
Limited NTC, I think he can name 12 teams he can't be traded to
- Pat MaGroin



ahhh thank you kind sir
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:10 PM ET
i think it's 10, but yeah it's something like this.
- OrangeBlack27


Your probably right, I vaguely remembered the actual number. Question, how does the player list the teams, is it every year he submits the teams he doesnt want to be traded to?
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:11 PM ET
Jbo by fridayj..........maybe boyle
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:11 PM ET
aka spin
- Crimsoninja


yep

rangers trade? exaggerate how well sather did

pens trade? exaggerate how well shero did

i'm sure that whatever happens with weber will be some kind of travesty, where holmgren got taken to the woodshed or something like that
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:11 PM ET
ok. so when rick nash only scored 26 goals this year and the blue jackets are a much better team, will you come back and say the BJs fleeced the rags?
- OrangeBlack27



watson, plz bookmark this post ty
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
yep

rangers trade? exaggerate how well sather did

pens trade? exaggerate how well shero did

i'm sure that whatever happens with weber will be some kind of travesty, where holmgren got taken to the woodshed or something like that

- FlyerMike18

yep
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
so we would have had the dougie. is that so bad?
- Don'tForgetTocchet



bump
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
I agree with you.. and its not like Rick Nash is a slouch defensively...

This is a very good trade for you guys IMO. Dont understand Howson AT ALL.

- jak521

rangers had to do something. Weber is gonna be a pain in our ass for 14 years.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
Were DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HockeyyInsiderr has said that Polie has gotten the green light to Match........nnnnnnnnoooooooooooo
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
I definitely agree with what MJL said.
- LordStanley88


you can say that, but i would like to see actual statistical evidence of this.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
Your probably right, I vaguely remembered the actual number. Question, how does the player list the teams, is it every year he submits the teams he doesnt want to be traded to?
- Pat MaGroin


i believe so.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Ranger made out like bandits on this one. They kept all of their core, and added at least on paper a franchise player. What immediately leaps out is that for a bonafide star player, the return was no 1st line forwards or 1st pairing D, in performance OR in potential. There is a huge talent deficit in this trade.

Rangers will be scary next year. After Gaborik returns: Gaborik, Richards,Kreider, Nash, Hagelin, Stepan and Callahan between them will make for 2 very good top lines. With that D and that goalie, they addressed all their needs: scoring, pp, and gave up very little.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
yep

rangers trade? exaggerate how well sather did

pens trade? exaggerate how well shero did

i'm sure that whatever happens with weber will be some kind of travesty, where holmgren got taken to the woodshed or something like that

- FlyerMike18

if he gives up only the picks, he wins by a landslide. if he subs some picks with players he still probably wins. Just as long as he doesn't give up Bschenn or Couts.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Unless there trying to see how much he was gonna cost to move forward with weber deal...... interesting
- Slammed81



I guess but its gonna take more then Sergei to build an offense that can contend...Still hoping Weber will be a flyer very soon but we will have to wait and see
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Were DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HockeyyInsiderr has said that Polie has gotten the green light to Match........nnnnnnnnoooooooooooo
- Slammed81


Flyers should look for another defenseman Edler or Enstrom
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
rangers had to do something. Weber is gonna be a pain in our ass for 14 years.
- tomburton99

I think I like Weber more than Nash.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Nash was a winning trade for the rangers. They stuck to their guns and Columbus had to back down. I expect the same for the flyers. Unreal that he rangers hung on to Stepan, Kreider, McDonough, and the other winger can't think of his name. Columbus continues to show how awful they are
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Were DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HockeyyInsiderr has said that Polie has gotten the green light to Match........nnnnnnnnoooooooooooo
- Slammed81


He also said there was no chance of them matching....hard to be wrong when you tweet all possible scenarios.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
did the rangers loose mdz, staal, girardi or mcdonagh in this deal? don't think so. Stralman is ok, i'm not expect him to turn into bobby orr. Bickel is a good 7th defensman, so i think the rangers neeed a guy like jurcina. but defenseless? Give me a break, this is laughable.
- tomburton99



Your defense is young and mostly inexperienced. They were supported by a strong defensive first supporting cast from the forwards, which they are not going to have. MDZ is still RFA, and MD is next year... Staal hasn't really proven to me that he is a Number 1 guy yet either... If your offense doesnt play as well defensively, your d-men are going to get exposed. Bank it.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:17 PM ET
Flyers should look for another defenseman Edler or Enstrom
- stveshdy



You arent taking a Hockeyy Insiderr report seriously are you ?
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
Your defense is young and mostly inexperienced. They were supported by a strong defensive first supporting cast from the forwards, which they are not going to have. MDZ is still RFA, and MD is next year... Staal hasn't really proven to me that he is a Number 1 guy yet either... If your offense doesnt play as well defensively, your d-men are going to get exposed. Bank it.
- RooNosHockey

girardi is an all star, staal a former all star, mcdonagh finish in in the top 11 for norris voting last year. mdz got much better but he still needs work. but the ragers defense is intact. if you guys get weber i'll call a spade a spade. althought that seems a little tough for you to do.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
bump
- Don'tForgetTocchet

or brodin or siemens or baertschi. maybe dougie goes in the top 5 if things shake out differently
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
He also said there was no chance of them matching....hard to be wrong when you tweet all possible scenarios.
- Philly1980

yea i dont follow him, i just find it funny he gets the green light to match... wouldnt it just be ok were matching..
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:18 PM ET
I think I like Weber more than Nash.
- jak521

yo guys don't need another scorer. weber fills a void, especially if pronger is done.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
You arent taking a Hockeyy Insiderr report seriously are you ?
- nonpoint22




noway, jailbirdrobert has flyers gettin him for picks
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