Will find out soon enough. The fact that they put in an offer sheet tells me their not willing to give up everything to get him. My opinion of course.
- stveshdy

They were willing to trade for him all along, and give up something to get him. The offer sheet was because they wanted to get it done and were tired of waiting.

hence "of the second year"
- FlyerMike18

sorry misread that then.

IMHO-
Homer is in the drivers seat 100%.
Nash. is not going to match, would have by now, hence will be receiving picks as compensation.
Sorry about your luck DP, loosing Shea and all, but I do need some cap space, and you need to add some. So how about we swap a couple of those picks back so you all can be closer to cap compliant? Here is your list of available players , take it or leave it.
It sounds harsh but believe this to be the reality of the situation.

All I can say is that come Wednesday at 11:31pm, there will be a lot of Crow being served up on this board and many people will be eating 2 or three portions.
Sure hope its not me.
- FlyersFirst

Some of that has already happened as many said there is no way you should offer sheet Weber b/c its bad for business.

They were willing to trade for him all along, and give up something to get him. The offer sheet was because they wanted to get it done and were tired of waiting.
- Jsaquella

I'm not saying he wouldnt trade but he has his limits to what he's willing to trade and b/c of that here we are.

To me if Nashville is wanting a trade to happen that means they cant match for Weber.
Weber will more than likely be better than any of the pieces being moved or the resulting players that come from the draft picks.

Personally I think it comes down to one thing. If Nashville can or cannot financially match. If they cant, then I see no need to play nice and trade anything more than four 1st rounders.

If the Preds cannot do it financially I don't see them having any leverage.
- flyer_nutter

I think Nashville Can match Weber, and Will if they don't get what they feel is fair trade value. I think they Dont WANT to match, which is why this is being discussed. I think that is where we are. If the Flyers dont offer up some kind of deal, I'm sure Nashville will match. Now they are just trying to find out what it will take.

At some point Nashville will have to make the next move.
- stveshdy

Yes. It is very possible that they decide to just keep Weber for the time being.

Right now it is only the Flyers bidding. In a year all other teams will have a chance to do so, and Nashville would be getting better pieces back.

Again though, that would cost 26 million. It comes down to money imo. While I do not want to jinx this, the longer it goes it more it favours the Flyers. Weber for four 1st rounders is an absolute steal.

Bill totally agree, except I think getting a first rounder back for each of Voracek, Messaros & Bourdon is a bit of a strech. And as a team that picks & Produces a lot of quality D, Bourdon or Gus might not be as attractive as say Matt Read. In any Case I only see 2 first round picks coming back + maybe some lower round picks depending.

Yes. It is very possible that they decide to just keep Weber for the time being.

Right now it is only the Flyers bidding. In a year all other teams will have a chance to do so, and Nashville would be getting better pieces back.

Again though, that would cost 26 million. It comes down to money imo. While I do not want to jinx this, the longer it goes it more it favours the Flyers. Weber for four 1st rounders is an absolute steal.
- flyer_nutter

The question is do the Flyers have the stones to lose out on Weber now that they're this close?

ello mikel
- flyfan1212

yo

received a cordial invitation to join the discussion at hfboards over the weekend. apparently, an old friend is banned til 2016 here

See my thing is this.

Nashville either can or cannot match. I strongly believe if they could they would.

If the Predators cannot financially take such a gamble then there is no need to play nice and give up anything other than picks.

Personally I think this whole thing comes down to the financial aspect not what kind of package Holmgren is offering. Before the offer sheet and seeing that Weber more than likely wants out himself I would have been willing to do a deal of Brayden and Cooties. The one that apparently Poile was asking for. However the situation has changed, and Nashville has lost all leverage imo.

Who knows.
- flyer_nutter

The problem isn't whether Nashville can match or not. They can match. The key is can Nashville ice a competitive team if they do match?

If it comes down to a matter of pride, they may well match out of spite. If Holmgren offers an olive branch that helps them stay competitive, helps them get to the cap floor without having to bleed money to do it as well as save a little face in a PR aspect, it might make it easier for them to decline matching, and the Flyers get their guy.

The object of the excercise is to get Shea Weber in a Flyers jersey.

yo

received a cordial invitation to join the discussion at hfboards over the weekend. apparently, an old friend is banned til 2016 here
- FlyerMike18

wdf i didnt get one.

While I am discussion whom I would rather trade, If it was me I would not trade either Schenns or Couturier. I can give up Voracek, and Meszaros. I would be willing to upgrade to Voracek and Coburn. I would be willing to add another forward, and draft pick with V and M. I would be willing to word with a form of that deal as long as the schenns and Couts are not part of it.
- RooNosHockey

I really think it its a Gratton type trade its:

Schenn Brothers and 2 picks

Voracek Coburn MAB and 2 picks. I really don't see how they want Mez coming off back surgery.

If the Preds don't match the offer and end up with the four picks, how do they get to the cap floor? Don't they need to add around 14 million in salary?

IMHO-
Homer is in the drivers seat 100%.
Nash. is not going to match, would have by now, hence will be receiving picks as compensation.
Sorry about your luck DP, loosing Shea and all, but I do need some cap space, and you need to add some. So how about we swap a couple of those picks back so you all can be closer to cap compliant? Here is your list of available players , take it or leave it.
It sounds harsh but believe this to be the reality of the situation.
- iskatefast

God I hope you're right.

If the Preds don't match the offer and end up with the four picks, how do they get to the cap floor? Don't they need to add around 14 million in salary?
- thephillynut

Ville Leino?

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: "Gratton Trade" for Weber Makes Financial & Hockey Sense
- bmeltzer

I simultaneously feel that the Preds would scoff at that trade proposal and that the Flyers would ultimately regret trading Voracek when he blossoms into an NHL star.

Likewise, if Poile's position is so weak that he would be forced to settle for such a package of "lesser" players, then its probably weak enough where Homer could just offer him absolutely nothing and still end up with Shea Weber.

Preds' ownership is either prepared to match or they're not. If they are willing to bit the bullet, then there is virtually nothing that Homer can do, short of tabling a swath of untouchable assets, to change the outcome. If they've decided they can't match, Poile will posture, delay and feint in an attempt to erode the Flyers' position -- in any case, Homer would be best served by staying patient and letting events come to him.

I think Nashville Can match Weber, and Will if they don't get what they feel is fair trade value. I think they Dont WANT to match, which is why this is being discussed. I think that is where we are. If the Flyers dont offer up some kind of deal, I'm sure Nashville will match. Now they are just trying to find out what it will take.
- RooNosHockey

Thats the thing.

If they can match. Why not keep him?

If Homer isnt willing to give up Schenn and Cooties together, then Nashville could just wait a year for every other team to get into the bidding. They would get a better package with everyone driving up the price.

I think Nashville Can match Weber, and Will if they don't get what they feel is fair trade value. I think they Dont WANT to match, which is why this is being discussed. I think that is where we are. If the Flyers dont offer up some kind of deal, I'm sure Nashville will match. Now they are just trying to find out what it will take.
- RooNosHockey

I really dont see how Homer could trade V after losing Jagr and JVR? The flyers are loaded at center and have a surplus of D men. The logical trade would be a center and a D man and 2 firsts

I'm not saying he wouldnt trade but he has his limits to what he's willing to trade and b/c of that here we are.
- stveshdy

Yes, and apparently those limits were Couturier and Schenn. Which means that he'd probably be OK with Voracek and others.

The problem isn't whether Nashville can match or not. They can match. The key is can Nashville ice a competitive team if they do match?

If it comes down to a matter of pride, they may well match out of spite. If Holmgren offers an olive branch that helps them stay competitive, helps them get to the cap floor without having to bleed money to do it as well as save a little face in a PR aspect, it might make it easier for them to decline matching, and the Flyers get their guy.

The object of the excercise is to get Shea Weber in a Flyers jersey.
- Jsaquella

The Flyers took that first step in the offer sheet and with the amount of money they are going to pay. The next step is to decide how much your willing to give to get Weber from Nashville. Are they willing to lose out on Weber being this close to acquiring him?

The problem isn't whether Nashville can match or not. They can match. The key is can Nashville ice a competitive team if they do match?

If it comes down to a matter of pride, they may well match out of spite. If Holmgren offers an olive branch that helps them stay competitive, helps them get to the cap floor without having to bleed money to do it as well as save a little face in a PR aspect, it might make it easier for them to decline matching, and the Flyers get their guy.

The object of the excercise is to get Shea Weber in a Flyers jersey.
- Jsaquella

This is intriguing to me. From a PR level they should match but do you really risk a total financial meltdown just to get the fans happy and keep your pride? I guess it comes down to what price to you place on your pride?

IMHO-
Homer is in the drivers seat 100%.
Nash. is not going to match, would have by now, hence will be receiving picks as compensation.
Sorry about your luck DP, loosing Shea and all, but I do need some cap space, and you need to add some. So how about we swap a couple of those picks back so you all can be closer to cap compliant? Here is your list of available players , take it or leave it.
It sounds harsh but believe this to be the reality of the situation.
- iskatefast

it's almost mid day Monday, this went down Wednesday night, I am inclined to believe you.

wdf i didnt get one.
- OrangeBlack27

he had some words for me regarding my admission that i defended dan carcillo for a while on these boards

God I hope you're right.
- NickTheKid87

If they can get weber for just the picks, I believe Bobby Ryan will be a Flyer by Friday ...