If I understand what your saying correctly. Your numbers are way off. If they get Weber, and sign Doan, they can't re-sign Voracek. Unless he's willing to take a serious pay cut.
- MJL

you get the summer cushion right? and that bookends to LTIR?

If Nashville matches the Weber offer sheet, it's to appease their fan base and to avoid a poopstorm and PR nightmare. Financially, those who know anything about business understand it doesn't make any sense for Nashville to match. If they have 8 first round picks in the next four years they can be very good within 3-4 years if they draft well. They will also have a ton of cap room to add free agents in the coming years.
- PLindbergh31

if they don't match and they just get the picks, it could also sound the death knell for the franchise. They need talent coming back or they'll match, imo....and don't discount bettman playing a role in helping them if they match. while I have no insider information, it figures that he is probably incensed about this situation and it's potential to rock the franchise to its core.

Check yesterday's posts bro
- Philly1980

Don't need to check yesterday's posts bro.

I want the Flyers to hold firm and call Nashville's bluff. If they match so be it. No need to panic now and throw a package of solid players Nashville's way when they may have no intention to match the offer sheet
- PLindbergh31

I'm with you.

You want a loan source that is willing to risk it

the NHL itself

For sure they would have to.....a money losing asset has trouble getting any financing, with good reason. But ask yourself one question.....if your a rich guy...do you put your personal future up for this???
You get rich from being smart with $ for the most part.....some of my cheapest friends have the most $.....
- landros 2

But the gain in investing in sports teams is not generally the year to year gain/loss...its the appreciation of the franchise value. If this was the NFL it would be a no-brainer. Obviously the NHL is another matter.

Don't need to check yesterday's posts bro.
- MJL

Yeah bro check them. Your arguments are as weak as your grip of nashvilles financial situation!

See that's the thing. We all have different opinions, I would take the risk of them matching. You can't lose what you don't have. Offer sheeting Weber wasn't even an option by many in here. No need to be disappointed if they don't get weber. This young core of guys will be just fine. I love Weber but he's one player and it takes a team to win a cup.
- stveshdy

Agreed. I let them bluff. They aren't going to commit franchise suicide over one player. Let's not act like 4 1st rounders won't help the Preds at all either. Assuming they have a top 10 pick the next 4 years they can easily move to top 3 if they so choose. 4 picks ain't bad at all. They can also turn around and use them immediately on players from other teams as well. They can sign Semin. They might not immediately be a playoff team but they can certainly get by.

you get the summer cushion right? and that bookends to LTIR?
- nails

What good is that Summer cushion if your hopelessly over the Cap and will need to make serious deals to get Cap compliant? Even with Pronger on LTIR. Did you use the Cap calculator at Capgeek?

You want a loan source that is willing to risk it

the NHL itself
- nails

pretty much...that's one of the reasons I've been hoping for a deal.

if they don't match and they just get the picks, it could also sound the death knell for the franchise. They need talent coming back or they'll match, imo....and don't discount bettman playing a role in helping them if they match. while I have no insider information, it figures that he is probably incensed about this situation and it's potential to rock the franchise to its core.
- isaiah520

They have won what, 2 playoff series with Weber and Suter? If they lose both players they aren't going to become the Blue Jackets. They still have some good young players, especially on the blueline. They can also trade some of their first round picks to acquire good players. I do not believe Nashville will all of a sudden put a terrible product on the ice without Suter and Weber.

Yeah bro check them. Your arguments are as weak as your grip of nashvilles financial situation!
- Philly1980

No need for me to waste my time. Nobody here on the internet has access to Nashville's financial records. You think you do, but you don't. End of story.

Agreed. I let them bluff. They aren't going commit franchise suicide over one player. Let's not act like 4 1st rounders won't help the Preds at all either. Assuming they have a top 10 pick the next 4 years they can easily move to top 3 if they so choose. 4 picks ain't bad at all. They can also turn around and use them immediately on players from other teams as well. They can sign Semin. They might not immediately be a playoff team but they can certainly get by.
- hereticpride

or they can move any of their 8 first rounders over the next 4 years for more established assets.
a some point Edmonton is going to have to move some kids and they will want picks back.

if they don't match and they just get the picks, it could also sound the death knell for the franchise. They need talent coming back or they'll match, imo....and don't discount bettman playing a role in helping them if they match. while I have no insider information, it figures that he is probably incensed about this situation and it's potential to rock the franchise to its core.
- isaiah520

No doubt that the League is pushing for a trade in my opinion. They want a stable franchise in Nashville.

No need for me to waste my time. Nobody here on the internet has access to Nashville's financial records. You think you do, but you don't. End of story.
- MJL

Yes god forbid we detract you from watching star wars re runs The report button is right above little sis

Agreed. I let them bluff. They aren't going to commit franchise suicide over one player. Let's not act like 4 1st rounders won't help the Preds at all either. Assuming they have a top 10 pick the next 4 years they can easily move to top 3 if they so choose. 4 picks ain't bad at all. They can also turn around and use them immediately on players from other teams as well. They can sign Semin. They might not immediately be a playoff team but they can certainly get by.
- hereticpride

Agreed.

I'm with you.
- stveshdy

Holmgren and Poile tried to hammer out a deal, Nashville was asking for the moon and the stars, Holmgren probably told Poile when they couldn't agree on a trade, to check his fax machine.

I will be annoyed if the Flyers give up a big package for Weber at this point, to me it's either Nashville takes the four first round picks, or they match the offer sheet.

They have won what, 2 playoff series with Weber and Suter? If they lose both players they aren't going to become the Blue Jackets. They still have some good young players, especially on the blueline. They can also trade some of their first round picks to acquire good players. I do not believe Nashville will all of a sudden put a terrible product on the ice without Suter and Weber.
- PLindbergh31

Bingo.

Holmgren and Poile tried to hammer out a deal, Nashville was asking for the moon and the stars, Holmgren probably told Poile when they couldn't agree on a trade, to check his fax machine.

I will be annoyed if the Flyers give up a big package for Weber at this point, to me it's either Nashville takes the four first round picks, or they match the offer sheet.
- PLindbergh31

Once again I agree. Nashville is the desperate team here backed into a corner. Don't turn your back and let them out.

Holmgren and Poile tried to hammer out a deal, Nashville was asking for the moon and the stars, Holmgren probably told Poile when they couldn't agree on a trade, to check his fax machine.

I will be annoyed if the Flyers give up a big package for Weber at this point, to me it's either Nashville takes the four first round picks, or they match the offer sheet.
- PLindbergh31

I think it's in the Flyers best interests to make a deal and get Weber. It's also would be a good thing for Nashville, and the League. Just don't trade B. Schenn or Couturier.

Yes god forbid we detract you from watching star wars re runs
- Philly1980

Hey hey hey!......take it easy there man...

What good is that Summer cushion if your hopelessly over the Cap and will need to make serious deals to get Cap compliant? Even with Pronger on LTIR. Did you use the Cap calculator at Capgeek?
- MJL

I did.
with spending 9.25M on jake and doan and 7.9M on weber capgeek gives me 650K of free space with Pronger on LTIR. Prongers salary-650K leaves them with a little over 4m, which is mezs salary.
Now, there is the part that I don't understand. is that balance (4M) for acquiring someone new after the stat of the season, or can it be applied to mezs?

On the other hand, drop doan and keep mez and resign jake, cut shelley and you have 1.6m of actual space. no LTIR needed. still lie that team a lot.

Holmgren and Poile tried to hammer out a deal, Nashville was asking for the moon and the stars, Holmgren probably told Poile when they couldn't agree on a trade, to check his fax machine.

I will be annoyed if the Flyers give up a big package for Weber at this point, to me it's either Nashville takes the four first round picks, or they match the offer sheet.
- PLindbergh31

The 4 firsts are already a sizable package. So if you exchanged 2 of the firsts with Voracek and Meszaros, you'd be upset that they got Weber? You may then have the cap space to sign Doan too. He's apparently interested in what's cooking here all of a sudden

They have won what, 2 playoff series with Weber and Suter? If they lose both players they aren't going to become the Blue Jackets. They still have some good young players, especially on the blueline. They can also trade some of their first round picks to acquire good players. I do not believe Nashville will all of a sudden put a terrible product on the ice without Suter and Weber.
- PLindbergh31

at this point, it's more than that. outside the prism of PHL vs NSH, I see this situation as a league wide concern because of the question of viability of the predator franchise. if NSH can save face enuf with a deal that they can spin into excitement to fill enuf seats, that would be the best outcome from the bettman perspective.

If NASH really wants to keep Weber, the money will not be an issue. The Ownership group I am sure is convening to discuss the options and ramifications of this "investment" into the franchise. A Capital Call to inject the necessary monies needed to retain Weber is an option for the Group. If one balks at this request, one of the wealthier Owners agrees to step to the plate for a greater % of the Team.

Is this the best scenario going forward with the business model? Are the revenues there to recoup an investment built around Weber? Other financial considerations with their future RFA's must also be factored in.

IMO, unless the 5% Owner Wilson steps up to absorb the losses over the next 6 years, a trade is NASH best route. Homer obviously knows what package he was prepared to offer in advance of the OS. So a reduced package to allow NASH their exit would be the best result for everyone and how I see it playing out.
- 9thPassyunk

But the thing you have to consider under that scenario is that the other partners would have agree to have their ownership percentage reduced by the extra amounts that Wilson is funding. Or their partnership agreement will have to give Wilson greater rights to profits. Depending on what their agreement says, the minority owners may have agree to any such modifications.