Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits

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Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Thanks Bill. It's not surprising that you are the voice of reason, but it is much appreciated!

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Great insights Bill, as always. The people who believe the Flyers would be a better team with Carter and Richards are foolish and maybe a little jealous.

Bill,

I agree with your assessment. Im tired of hearing how richards and carter were capable of wining a cup and that the flyers made some mistake by trading. The thing with richards and carter is that yes they are capable of winning it, but not capable of leading a team to a cup win. Also if richards and carter were still around this year you would have never had the emergence of giroux, who it think in do time is capable of leading this team to multiple cups. Flyers saw that and got good return.

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- Philly1980

nice

I agree 100% that the Kings did not arrive at this point overnight. It took a lot of key moves and a lot of patience. But what I can't agree with is the blanket statement that the Flyers wouldn't have done better if they hadn't traded Carter and Richards. That's an unknown.

Bill,

I agree with your assessment. Im tired of hearing how richards and carter were capable of wining a cup and that the flyers made some mistake by trading. The thing with richards and carter is that yes they are capable of winning it, but not capable of leading a team to the cup. Also if richards and carter were still around this year you would have never had the emergence of giroux, who it think in do time is capable of leading this team to multiple cups. Flyers saw that and got good return.
- Philly1980

Joffrey Lupul is sure to hear some boos next time he comes here after his tweet regarding this.

I agree 100% that the Kings did not arrive at this point overnight. It took a lot of key moves and a lot of patience. But what I can't agree with is the blanket statement that the Flyers wouldn't have done better if they hadn't traded Carter and Richards. That's an unknown.
- MJL

It's all about getting hot at the right time and that's what the the Kings did. Everything has to fall in place to win a championship in any sport.

I agree 100% that the Kings did not arrive at this point overnight. It took a lot of key moves and a lot of patience. But what I can't agree with is the blanket statement that the Flyers wouldn't have done better if they hadn't traded Carter and Richards. That's an unknown.
- MJL

OK.... take away Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn, add back in Richards and Carter (who had an injury-plagued year). Do you like their chances of either getting 103 points or, if they did, beating Pittsburgh in the first round of the playoffs? I'd say it would be quite unlikely when you figure in the cap space issue if they had kept Richards and Carter this season.

Patience. Please let that sink in with management. Please.

I would also love to see Lappy have a position in the organization where he can instill his knowledge and heart to players. The guy can only be a positive influence.

OK.... take away Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn, add back in Richards and Carter (who had an injury-plagued year). Do you like their chances of either getting 103 points or, if they did, beating Pittsburgh in the first round of the playoffs? I'd say it would be quite unlikely.
- bmeltzer

Don't forget they used the pick from LA in the deal for Grossmann and used the cap space to sign Bryz.

Patience. Please let that sink in with management. Please.

I would also love to see Lappy have a position in the organization where he can instill his knowledge and heart to players. The guy can only be a positive influence.
- tangent_man

I think its time the flyers really take draft picks seriously, and develop a sense of patience as well.

Also, they need to look long and hard as to why exactly are they unable to develop a defensemen or goalie on their own. Is it poor scouting, poor minor league development, both, or something completely different?

I'm really tired of seeing the marquee free agent with a bloated contract at the expense of young talent.

That being said, I'd take schenn, coots, voracek, and simmonds any day of the week. THey just need to stop trading away picks from the 1st through 3rd round anymore.

I always will wonder what if the Flyers had the same patience with Bob that LA had with Quick. Maybe a few rough years, but could he be as good as Quick someday?

Patience. Please let that sink in with management. Please.

I would also love to see Lappy have a position in the organization where he can instill his knowledge and heart to players. The guy can only be a positive influence.
- tangent_man

Snider doesn't believe in being patient. He's running out of time to win another Stanley Cup. I have no problem with the Flyers brass being aggressive every single year. Winning the cup takes more than patience imo. A lot of things have to go your way including the biggest factor, health.

I always will wonder what if the Flyers had the same patience with Bob that LA had with Quick. Maybe a few rough years, but could he be as good as Quick someday?
- Jimmygrazz

I don't think so. Quick has always had a better skill set than Bob has. I think Bob could be a solid starter in the league but not a Vezina candidate.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Great blog as usual Bill. Thanks for the tidbit about Hoyda, and the clip of his fight with Wensink.

For those who may not know anything about Wensink, that dude was certifiably insane. I had the "pleasure" of watching him play for the Rochester Amerks when I was a kid. At that time the Amerks were the Boston minor league affiliate, and none other than Don Cherry himself was the coach.

Wensink was his favorite goon, and he used him to great effect. During one game we attended, Wensink almost killed a Nova Scotia Voyageurs defenceman named Len Cunning. He beat beat him senseless, then fell on him after he was down, grabbed the guys head, and started pounding it against the ice like he was beating a drum. To this day it is the worst display of on-ice goonery I have ever witnessed. He got a whopping 10 game ban for that. He was also a notorious biter. Perhaps his most famous biting incident was his biting then Nova Scotia defenseman Brian Engblom three times in the face and neck during three separate fights. Finally, after the THIRD TIME, he was suspended for 20 games.

Quite a guy that Mr. Wensink.

I think its time the flyers really take draft picks seriously, and develop a sense of patience as well.

Also, they need to look long and hard as to why exactly are they unable to develop a defensemen or goalie on their own. Is it poor scouting, poor minor league development, both, or something completely different?

I'm really tired of seeing the marquee free agent with a bloated contract at the expense of young talent.

That being said, I'd take schenn, coots, voracek, and simmonds any day of the week. THey just need to stop trading away picks from the 1st through 3rd round anymore.
- the deaninator

I have no problem trading them...Hell id rather be in the hunt every year rather than stockpiling talent and hoping they mature to be in the hunt for a 2-3year window before UFA steal them all.Luck also plays a part.

Don't forget they used the pick from LA in the deal for Grossmann and used the cap space to sign Bryz.
- NickTheKid87

I noted the Grossmann deal in the blog.

They could have worked out the cap to sign Bryzgalov and keep Richards and Carter (no Jagr signing, no Talbot signing, waiving Shelley, etc).

I have no problem trading them...Hell id rather be in the hunt every year rather than stockpiling talent and hoping the mature to be in the hunt for a 2-3year window.Luck also plays a part.
- Philly1980

definitely, and as long as they use them wisely I'm not really going to argue.

trading a second round pick for grossmann (and then signing him) is a good move. he's better than what you can draft with that pick now, and possibly the future.

Trading a first and third round pick for versteeg, and then trading him 4 months later, is a complete waste.

Great blog as usual Bill. Thanks for the tidbit about Hoyda, and the clip of his fight with Wensink.

For those who may not know anything about Wensink, that dude was certifiably insane. I had the "pleasure" of watching him play for the Rochester Amerks when I was a kid. At that time the Amerks were the Boston minor league affiliate, and none other than Don Cherry himself was the coach.

Wensink was his favorite goon, and he used him to great effect. During one game we attended, Wensink almost killed a Nova Scotia Voyageurs defenceman named Len Cunning. He beat beat him senseless, then fell on him after he was down, grabbed the guys head, and started pounding it against the ice like he was beating a drum. To this day it is the worst display of on-ice goonery I have ever witnessed. He got a whopping 10 game ban for that. He was also a notorious biter. Perhaps his most famous biting incident was his biting then Nova Scotia defenseman Brian Engblom three times in the face and neck during three separate fights. Finally, after the THIRD TIME, he was suspended for 20 games.

Quite a guy that Mr. Wensink.
- BringBack25

That is some story!! I knew of Wensink's notorious minor league gooning and suspension history but not the specifics.

I always will wonder what if the Flyers had the same patience with Bob that LA had with Quick. Maybe a few rough years, but could he be as good as Quick someday?
- Jimmygrazz

My only problem with this is Quick was a very good goalie coming out. Bob was pretty much an unknown. Quick was drafted in the 3rd round, Bob undrafted. The upside of having Quick and being patient is totally different imo. I guess a goalie who isnt as highly touted could use some patience but I dont think Bob is the answer.

Quick was a known commodity:
(While playing for the University of Massachusetts Amherst, he led the Minutemen to their first NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Championship appearance. In his first ever NCAA Tournament game Quick shutout Clarkson University, stopping all 33 shots he faced, in a 1–0 overtime victory. He appeared in 5 playoff games, and posted a .944 save percentage. Quick still holds many records in UMass-Amherst hockey history.)

"Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were valuable pieces of the puzzle but not the central parts. The Flyers would NOT have come any closer to winning the Stanley Cup this season if Richards and Carter were still here. "

Whatever let's you sleep at night...

"Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were valuable pieces of the puzzle but not the central parts. The Flyers would NOT have come any closer to winning the Stanley Cup this season if Richards and Carter were still here. "

Whatever let's you sleep at night...
- As_I_See_It

pfffff toronto always wishing they could have the flyers scraps.

"Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were valuable pieces of the puzzle but not the central parts. The Flyers would NOT have come any closer to winning the Stanley Cup this season if Richards and Carter were still here. "

Whatever let's you sleep at night...
- As_I_See_It

You think they were central parts I take it?