Paul McCann: Commence the #RadsWarning - Will The Prodigal Pred Return?

Suter should have been a star as well. His 2 goal clearing plays reiterated that the defense has returned. I hadn't realized that Nashville was the only team with 2 40+ point defensemen....

Suter should have been a star as well. His 2 goal clearing plays reiterated that the defense has returned. I hadn't realized that Nashville was the only team with 2 40+ point defensemen....
- HockeyHop

I thought he was the 1st star of the game?

Remember the Preds were the victims regarding Radulov. He left (while still having a valid contract) through no fault of the team's right before that issue between the NHL and KHL was solved.

So regardless of what you think of the guy personally, if he wants to come back and the team is willing to take him back, he should be allowed to play without going through waivers. To read comments from hockey people saying this is 'sketchy' is simply ridiculous.

Also Pete Weber said this morning that the NHLPA has said they don't need him to go through waivers if he wants to return to play here.

I thought he was the 1st star of the game?
- Domov14

He was.

Sweet jeebus! I'm really beginning to see why the Sabre's fans love Gaustad so much:

“I’m still trying to get a feel for everything,” said Gaustad, who has had new wings almost every game and centered Yip and Gabriel Bourque on Thursday. “I know it’s going to take patience. Every game I’m feeling a little more comfortable in the system and again I had some bad reads tonight that I’m going to correct and try to keep getting better down the stretch here.

“I don’t take lightly to when I’m on the ice when goals get scored against me. So, two of them tonight. I don’t take those too lightly and I’m not too happy about it and I’m going to figure out a way I can be better and see if I can help out on those.”

http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2011021005

What a pro. They win the game, he bags an assist, but he's down right ornery with himself for being on for the two Avalanche goals.

Remember the Preds were the victims regarding Radulov. He left (while still having a valid contract) through no fault of the team's right before that issue between the NHL and KHL was solved.

So regardless of what you think of the guy personally, if he wants to come back and the team is willing to take him back, he should be allowed to play without going through waivers. To read comments from hockey people saying this is 'sketchy' is simply ridiculous.

Also Pete Weber said this morning that the NHLPA has said they don't need him to go through waivers if he wants to return to play here.
- Predville

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

He was fairly acquired through the draft and he still owes Nashville one year on his ELC.

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

You can't import what's already yours, unless you're moving countries.

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

True...BUT were those EURO based players under contract with the team?

Different circumstances.

(On a personal note...figures the gripe would come from VAN or STL)

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

totally...different...situation....but thanks for playing.

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

Yes, the difference being the player is in suspension mode with a valid contract between parties. I think this is material in the consideration.

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

We are looking at getting a rental when we should have gotten a full year! This is of course if he comes back this year

totally...different...situation....but thanks for playing.
- HardCorePredFan316

The point is in what's happening, not in how hard done by you may feel by Radulov. What is being discussed is exactly like what teams used to do in the past.

1. Euro player who wanted to live in Europe, rather than NA. Check
2. Player wants to play for.the Stanley Cup once his season ends in Europe. Check

This is exactly why the waiver rule is there. Too bad you're too biased to see that.

It is ridiculous. The whole intent of the waiver requirement was to stop teams from importing Euro based talent only for the playoffs.

And what's happening here?
- thebige

It's okay. He has one year left on his contract with the Preds - which he can satisfy by playing any portion of a regular season (even 1 game). As soon as he satisfies his existing contract with the Preds, he will be a restricted free agent, and any team can tender him an offer.

Your point about preventing European players is about teams hiring guns for the playoffs, when they didn't already have existing rights to them. Radulov's rights belong to the Predators already - so there is no need to clear waivers.

I'm not sure he will actually return this season. But this isn't remotely the same as the situation you raise. If he does come back - he can fairly play for the Preds.

So maybe Canucks fans aren't the best at understanding league personnel rules. But at least they are good at something things. If you don't like Rad coming back to the Preds, you can always run out the street & set something on fire or flip over a few cars! We know you guys know how to do that! BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!

The point is in what's happening, not in how hard done by you may feel by Radulov. What is being discussed is exactly like what teams used to do in the past.

1. Euro player who wanted to live in Europe, rather than NA. Check
2. Player wants to play for.the Stanley Cup once his season ends in Europe. Check

This is exactly why the waiver rule is there. Too bad you're too biased to see that.
- thebige

Speaking of too biased. That's not EXACTLY why the waiver rule was created. Those rules weren't written to prevent a guy from bailing on the final year of a contract and then deciding he wants back in a few years later. It was written to stop teams from SIGNING guys this late in the year. Which isn't he case here. He's already signed. For all intents and purposes rads may as well be an AHLer in the final year of his entry level deal getting called up. Side note. Did Hudler have to to through waivers when he came back?

Yes, the difference being the player is in suspension mode with a valid contract between parties. I think this is material in the consideration.
- Fangor

So, I can sign a guy to a contract, he doesn't show, so I don't pay him. Then he goes to Europe and plays. Then when his season is over he comes back and I pay him again?

That's the exact same net result as if I let him play in Europe under the understanding that once his season ended I'd sign him for the playoffs.

That's why the rule is there. I realize the majority of the younger folks on this site weren't alive when the Oilers used to do this with guys like Ristoleanen (sp), but that's why the rule is there. What the Preds are trying to do is in the exact same spirit.

The point is in what's happening, not in how hard done by you may feel by Radulov. What is being discussed is exactly like what teams used to do in the past.

1. Euro player who wanted to live in Europe, rather than NA. Check
2. Player wants to play for.the Stanley Cup once his season ends in Europe. Check

This is exactly why the waiver rule is there. Too bad you're too biased to see that.
- thebige

Wow. Can you give an example, because my bias is clearly clouding my judgement.

Can you give an example where a player bailed on his contractual obligations to the team because he wanted to live in Europe/play for Euro team? While maintaining a residence in the city of his NA team...

So, I can sign a guy to a contract, he doesn't show, so I don't pay him. Then he goes to Europe and plays. Then when his season is over he comes back and I pay him again?

That's the exact same net result as if I let him play in Europe under the understanding that once his season ended I'd sign him for the playoffs.

That's why the rule is there. I realize the majority of the younger folks on this site weren't alive when the Oilers used to do this with guys like Ristoleanen (sp), but that's why the rule is there. What the Preds are trying to do is in the exact same spirit.
- thebige

No. It's not. That was never their intent. They didn't sign him several years ago to come back for the 2012 playoffs. They signed him to play 3 consecutive years on an entry level deal. They wanted him back last summer. And the one before. And every point in between. They weren't try into circumvent the system. They're not near the cap. He makes less than a million. They're just asking him to live up to the contract he signed.

The point is in what's happening, not in how hard done by you may feel by Radulov. What is being discussed is exactly like what teams used to do in the past.

1. Euro player who wanted to live in Europe, rather than NA. Check
2. Player wants to play for.the Stanley Cup once his season ends in Europe. Check

This is exactly why the waiver rule is there. Too bad you're too biased to see that.
- thebige

I'm not sure how much pot you have been smoking in BC.
1. Russia isn't in Europe - ha
2. HE HAS A CONTRACT WITH THE NASHVILLE PREDATORS!!!!

Here is the difference

Turco signs after the deadline with the Bruins after he spent a few months in Europe. So he can't play in the playoffs. This prevents teams from signing players after deadline. Radulov has already signed as in already has a contract. Why would he need to go through waivers? Turco had to go through waivers because he did not already have a contract with an NHL team. If a team calls up a player in their system, would he need to go through waivers? No, because he has signed with that particular organization already. Radulov already has a contract with the Predators.

Preds head coach Barry Trotz indicated that he would be making a few lineup changes and perhaps sending a message or two
- pmccann

I wish Trotz would send a message to the more veteran players sometimes. It seems like Trotz is perfectly willing to allow the vets to get away this stuff he wouldn't tolerate from the younger guys.

- Pekka Rinne etched his name into the franchise record book last night, posting his 37th win of the season, eclipsing Tomas Vokoun’s mark of 36 set in 05-06. Rinne leads the NHL in victories.
- pmccann

Big props to Rinne, but that was his second straight overall shaky game for him. Maybe he needs to see more shots to be more effective. Whatever the reason, I hope he finds his game by tomorrow night. He should see a lot more shots, so I anticipate a return to form.

- Talked to Kevin Klein for a few minutes post-game last night and he is itching to get back into the lineup.
- pmccann

And we're itching to see him back in the lineup. The kid has really turned his game up a notch and has become a vital component of the defense.

Nice energy from the Preds last night. I do feel like they let up in the third a bit though. Still, it was really good to see that game from them coming off of the Kings game. Now to kick it into another gear for the Red Wings.

D

Sour Grapes from around the league is no surprise. Would anyone be raising the same stink if it was some nobody checking forward? Of course not.

The Radulov saga is so unique that to view it through some prism of the 80's as an intentional effort by the Preds to circumvent the waiver rules is laughable. The Preds were screwed the entire time.

If I'm a Canuck\Blues\Wings fan I'd be pissed too. You know what though.. tough noogies. Deal with it.

So, I can sign a guy to a contract, he doesn't show, so I don't pay him. Then he goes to Europe and plays. Then when his season is over he comes back and I pay him again?

That's the exact same net result as if I let him play in Europe under the understanding that once his season ended I'd sign him for the playoffs.

That's why the rule is there. I realize the majority of the younger folks on this site weren't alive when the Oilers used to do this with guys like Ristoleanen (sp), but that's why the rule is there. What the Preds are trying to do is in the exact same spirit.
- thebige

No. There was no agreement in existence between the NHL and the KHL when Radulov bolted. There is now. No one would be allowed to play in another league with a valid contract signed elsewhere. the IIHF could not suspend Radulov because of the lack of agreement, but now that there is one, if the situation were to repeat itself, he would be suspended from international play, and the league he was playing for would be in violation of the agreement.

I don't think any league wants to do that because it opens them right back up for some poaching to be done to them.

D

So, I can sign a guy to a contract, he doesn't show, so I don't pay him. Then he goes to Europe and plays. Then when his season is over he comes back and I pay him again?

That's the exact same net result as if I let him play in Europe under the understanding that once his season ended I'd sign him for the playoffs.

That's why the rule is there. I realize the majority of the younger folks on this site weren't alive when the Oilers used to do this with guys like Ristoleanen (sp), but that's why the rule is there. What the Preds are trying to do is in the exact same spirit.
- thebige

read this for some further clarification

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...g-to-nashville-rumblings/

The point is in what's happening, not in how hard done by you may feel by Radulov. What is being discussed is exactly like what teams used to do in the past.

1. Euro player who wanted to live in Europe, rather than NA. Check
2. Player wants to play for.the Stanley Cup once his season ends in Europe. Check

This is exactly why the waiver rule is there. Too bad you're too biased to see that.
- thebige

What a great job they did of hiding him in the KHL...they hid him for almost 3 years so they could make a run in the 12 playoffs
Sweet jeebus, what a bunch of cheaters