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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Oh the Risto Take...this should be good |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 09.05.2011
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Oh the Risto Take...this should be good - DDM-Coga
I'm ready lol |
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Pet.m.d.
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Location: Buckeye, AZ Joined: 06.29.2017
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How old is Risto? Who are some comparable defensemen who struggled on a bad team then hit 25,26 etc..... and took off? If I'm the swords Gm I'm not moving him |
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51_Killer
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buttplug, NY Joined: 08.15.2013
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I'll defer on Risto to the rest of the Sabres hoard. All I can say is look where we finished last year.......on purpose. |
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51_Killer
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Buttplug, NY Joined: 08.15.2013
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How old is Risto? Who are some comparable defensemen who struggled on a bad team then hit 25,26 etc..... and took off? If I'm the swords Gm I'm not moving him - Pet.m.d.
23 |
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Brendan Smith, 26th and 39th picks for Lucic and 10th pick |
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david22
Ottawa Senators |
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Joined: 04.15.2008
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I guess hoffman isnt even considered realistic at this point.
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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I'm ready lol - Todd.Cordell
One thing to consider on the outlet passes: he's passing to Nolan, Josefson, larsson, Girgensons, Moulson, wilson and a cast of various other AHLers |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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Keith Yandle I think is a good example of what Risto is.
Yandle, 3rd year in the league: 69 games, 30 pts, -4. (Phoenix went 36-39-7)
Yandle, 5th year in the league: 82 games, 59 pts, +12 (Phoenix went 43-26-13)
I'd go on but I think this shows that despite a player's attributes, the success of the team can determine the success of the players as well. Yandle on a bad team is a 35pt guy, on a good team he's at 45-50.
He didn't start off as a dud, just as Risto does do some things well, but he needed other parts around him to work with. Risto isn't a Karlsson, he does not have the skill to play 25m a night by himself. As the team improves you will see him improve. I pray he is not traded. |
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GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON Joined: 06.12.2017
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RistLOLainen
-Feds91Stammer
"NORRIStolianen"- Garf
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RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN Joined: 04.16.2016
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Avoid everyone but Abdelkader, Ericsson, and Helm. |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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One thing to consider on the outlet passes: he's passing to Nolan, Josefson, larsson, Girgensons, Moulson, wilson and a cast of various other AHLers - jcragcrumple
Come on man....... He rarely plays with those guys...
Linemates
O'Reilly - 506 min
Reinhart - 406 min
Eichel - 368 min
Jordan Noaln- 184 min
Josepfson - 119 min |
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RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Visionville Joined: 10.12.2015
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Come on man....... He rarely plays with those guys...
Linemates
O'Reilly - 506 min
Reinhart - 406 min
Eichel - 368 min
Jordan Noaln- 184 min
Josepfson - 119 min - sbroads24
So he played with Jordan Nolan for about a third as much as Ryan. That sucks, that's a lot of time. Don't you think every minute played with those AHL guys is significantly harder than other bottom 6s around the league?
What about when he breaks 25 minutes in a night...does he get tired from over usage?
I'll hang up and listen. |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Come on man....... He rarely plays with those guys...
Linemates
O'Reilly - 506 min
Reinhart - 406 min
Eichel - 368 min
Jordan Noaln- 184 min
Josepfson - 119 min - sbroads24
So 2/7ths of his time with scrubs. It's still gonna hurt |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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So he played with Jordan Nolan for about a third as much as Ryan. That sucks, that's a lot of time. Don't you think every minute played with those AHL guys is significantly harder than other bottom 6s around the league?
I'll hang up and listen. - RhinoFan
Yes, because he's the only D man in the league to be on the ice with 4th liners sometimes.
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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So 2/7ths of his time with scrubs. It's still gonna hurt - jcragcrumple
Except his #'s don't get much better with our top lines.
These theories have been debunked numerous times by other people than myself.
Risto doesn't make his teammates better. In most cases they are actually worse when he's on the ice |
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jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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Yes, because he's the only D man in the league to be on the ice with 4th liners sometimes. - sbroads24
4/5 of these guys are gonna wash out of the league.
They're sub-4th liners |
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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY Joined: 02.12.2012
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4/5 of these guys are gonna wash out of the league.
They're sub-4th liners - jcragcrumple
And this is usually what happens with 4th liners.....everywhere |
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jimbro83
New York Rangers |
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Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY Joined: 12.25.2009
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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Risto plays all the top comp on a crap team...put him in Jake Gardiners spot in TO playing against weaker comp along with AM WN and his #'s would be a hell of a lot better...but instead we'll just compare him to guys playing different rolls on better teams.
Not saying he's Drew Doughty etc but some of these D get a bad rap from the anal community.
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Mino42
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Philipsburg, PA Joined: 08.10.2015
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Risto is only 23 so I have to disagree with him being labeled as not worth taking a chance on. He has been on a terrible team as a number 1 D-man at a very young age. I think its way too soon to say he isn't going to be good. Maybe not a true number 1 but definitely a top 4 guy. |
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mgriffen
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto Joined: 02.01.2012
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Risto is only 23 so I have to disagree with him being labeled as not worth taking a chance on. He has been on a terrible team as a number 1 D-man at a very young age. I think its way too soon to say he isn't going to be good. Maybe not a true number 1 but definitely a top 4 guy. - Mino42
Buffalo's adding Dhalin...so like, why the frank wouldn't they want to see how those two pan out together?? |
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