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Paul Stewart
Joined: 10.14.2013

Jun 5 @ 6:57 AM ET
Paul Stewart: Winners Don't Wait for Calls and Breaks
Blazed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.18.2012

Jun 5 @ 9:52 AM ET
I agree, didn’t look like champions last night.
Stu17
Los Angeles Kings
Location: If its Brown flush it down!, CA
Joined: 10.15.2013

Jun 5 @ 11:53 AM ET
The wheels have come off the Vegas wagon. Gallant looked more than flustered last night.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 5 @ 10:33 PM ET
Agree, even though I have been pulling for ‘Vegas. Nailed it Stewie. The most important part of the entire piece, are the life lessons you illustrated. Our parents instilled it in us, but is now disappearing faster than the food at Rosie O’donnell’s Buffet table!
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 6 @ 3:31 AM ET
I don't think it's a case of Vegas playing poorly at all; the poor passing isn't from unforced errors the Caps are forcing them into mistakes. I think the Caps are just unstoppable right now; they beat Pittsburgh and it clicked for them. The Knights get to go home and try to force game 6. Hopefully they can do it, I'm 100% on board and have been since around the All-Star break when people, myself included, kept saying "it's a fluke, they'll bottom out." and had been saying that for almost 4 months at that point. I just don't know if they can stem the tide.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 6 @ 4:10 AM ET
Paul Stewart: Winners Don't Wait for Calls and Breaks
- Paul Stewart


On the reverse check Oshie delivered, it was definitely not an elbow, but doesn't rule 48 address that?

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head - A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principle point of contact is not permitted.

It was a lateral check and to the head and it was tough to see if it was the principle point of contact as the term broadcasters and others use. But let's back up, what does the NHL mean by "principle" in "principle point of contact". It's a "fundamental or general truth or law" that he got hit right on the schnozz. It was "the source or fundamental cause" that he got hit on the head. The biggest point of contact was Miller's face. Oshie saw him coming and stood up right at Miller's head and then after contact was made followed through with his upper body.

The wording sucks and is way too vague even for the rest of the rule book. Are they using it to mean "initial" and if so why the hell aren't they using "initial". Should we be splitting hairs if Oshie's elbow glanced off Miller's chest first? Oshie could just as easily get down into a stance and brace for the hit and probably hit him much harder, but he decided to stand up and go high. If they're serious about getting head shots out they need to do a much better job than they're currently doing. "Oh, well, Wilson hit his arm first, you see, then he broke his jaw...no supplemental discipline."

Why can't they just adopt the IIHF's rule?

"RULE 124 – CHECKING TO THE HEAD OR NECK
DEFINITION: A player who directs a hit of any sort, with any part of his
body or equipment, to the head or neck of an opposing player or drives
or forces the head of an opposing player into the protective glass or
boards. This rule supersedes all similar actions regarding hits to the head
and neck except those related to fighting."

That cuts out all ambiguity.

"i. There is no such thing as a clean hit to the head. Whether accidental
or intentional, every direct hit to the head or neck of an opponent will
be penalized.

ii. A player who directs a check to the head or neck of an opponent will
be assessed one of: (1) a minor penalty and misconduct penalty;
(2) a major penalty and automatic game-misconduct penalty; (3) a
match penalty.

iii. A player who injures or recklessly endangers an opponent as a result
of checking to the head or neck will be assessed a match penalty.

iv. A penalty for checking to the head or neck will be assessed if one of
the following occurs when a player checks an opponent:

1. The skater directs a hit with any part of his body or equipment to
the head or neck of an opponent;


2. The skater drives or forces the head of an opponent into the
protective glass or boards by using any part of his upper body;

3. The skater extends and directs any part of his upper body to
make contact with the head or neck of an opponent;


4. The skater extends his body upward or outward in order to reach
his opponent or uses any part of the upper body to make contact
with an opponent’s head or neck;


5. The skater jumps (leaves his skates) to deliver a blow to the head
or neck of an opponent."

Skipping a couple irrelevent to this discussion.

"viii. If a skater maintains his position in the normal course of game action
as an opponent runs into him, the ensuing contact will not be
considered checking to the head or neck unless conditions in Rules
124-iv or 124-v are violated."


Section iv was definitely violated in that instance as bolded above. If Miller simply ran into him it wouldn't have been a penalty, but Oshie saw him and went high, it's as simple as that. I don't think it was vicious, but it merited a 2 and 10 under the IIHF rules. But the NHL is too chickensh¡t to do anything that drastic. They only want the appear to get tough, the same goes for the joke that is the supplemental discipline system.
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jun 6 @ 1:27 PM ET
On the reverse check Oshie delivered, it was definitely not an elbow, but doesn't rule 48 address that?

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head - A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principle point of contact is not permitted.

It was a lateral check and to the head and it was tough to see if it was the principle point of contact as the term broadcasters and others use. But let's back up, what does the NHL mean by "principle" in "principle point of contact". It's a "fundamental or general truth or law" that he got hit right on the schnozz. It was "the source or fundamental cause" that he got hit on the head. The biggest point of contact was Miller's face. Oshie saw him coming and stood up right at Miller's head and then after contact was made followed through with his upper body...

- Wetbandit1


We must be seeing completely different hits. Looking at the clip in Sheng's blog it looks like it's a solid shoulder right to the chest logo.
JCalogero
New York Rangers
Joined: 08.07.2014

Jun 6 @ 4:36 PM ET
Yes... a hit to the chest resulting in a broken nose. Makes sense.
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jun 6 @ 4:54 PM ET
Yes... a hit to the chest resulting in a broken nose. Makes sense.
- JCalogero


https://imgur.com/6xT2OyI

Yup
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 6 @ 6:07 PM ET
https://imgur.com/6xT2OyI

Yup

- PancakesPenner


It's the upward motion. Up instead of through is the key.

I wasn't saying he didn't hit him in the chest, just that he made an upward motion. Which is against the IIHF rules. It cuts all ambiguity out of rule 48. I guarantee you'd see a lot less of those "clean" checks if you instituted that rule.
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jun 7 @ 8:49 AM ET
It's the upward motion. Up instead of through is the key.

I wasn't saying he didn't hit him in the chest, just that he made an upward motion. Which is against the IIHF rules. It cuts all ambiguity out of rule 48. I guarantee you'd see a lot less of those "clean" checks if you instituted that rule.

- Wetbandit1


I get what you're saying, I just didn't really agree with your point that the biggest point of contact was Miller's head. I didn't have any issue with anything else you said. My second post was just in response to the other guy's snarky comment.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 4:12 PM ET
I get what you're saying, I just didn't really agree with your point that the biggest point of contact was Miller's head. I didn't have any issue with anything else you said. My second post was just in response to the other guy's snarky comment.
- PancakesPenner


Yeah, I got that, but it is pretty hard to break someone's nose if you don't take a pretty big thump to the face. It is kind of splitting hairs, both the chest and the head took a wallop.
dansmail26
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Burt, NY
Joined: 07.22.2012

Jun 7 @ 8:10 PM ET
how about the other night when the caps took a penalty for a high hit, when in essence the player (nash, i think) hit himself in thec face with his glove. thats an example of where a broken nose doesnt need a head hit!
dansmail26
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Burt, NY
Joined: 07.22.2012

Jun 7 @ 8:25 PM ET
i meant neal